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  1. #16
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    +1!

    Practically the only time I do ride in my drops (outside of sprinting) is on downhills. As RoadRaven and Grog have both stated, this is a MUCH safter position for you than on your hoods trying to reach the brakes.

    Give it a try!

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  2. #17
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    Okay ladies, I will work on this drops thing on the hills, but not until I get the brakes shimmed so that I can reach them better while in the drops! Right now, it's not the place to be if I want to get my hands on the brakes, I swear!

    I agree, I did make a strong statement to say "no way" but it's the way I've been working, and am likely to continue at least part of the time for now. I know there's stuff to learn, but the "hoods position" is something I'm still adjusting to some over the comfort-beast upright position, remember, and it feels hugely scary on my hill! Grog, you talked about the reasoning behind descending in the drops, which Velogirl left out. Now I know that it's a safety feature and that I really do need to learn it, so I will practice drops on wee bitty hills and build up confidence, so that I can do it on bigger hills too! (after I get those shims, though, so I can get to the brakes while in the drops!)

    I promise, I will!

    Karen in Boise

  3. #18
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    Hmmm, I feel like my center of gravity is off when I'm in the drops. Of course 10 mph down a hill is FAST for me

    For those who recently started using the drops instead of the brake hoods, was it a scary adjustment?

  4. #19
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    I'll equate riding on the hoods to driving an SUV, and riding in the drops to driving a zippy little sportscar. We all know that the center of gravity on an SUV is very high, so you have to slow down when turning or risk rolling the vehicle over. A sportscar, on the other hand, has a low center of gravity and just loves to zip around curves. When riding switchbacks and twisty descents, you really want to hug those curves like a little sportscar.

  5. #20
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    It definitely takes some time to get used to the position. My parents taught me this from the time I had a drop handlebar bike so it always been pretty natural for me, but it's one of the things we usually have to tell new racers all of the time - get in your drops, get in your drops, get in your drops! You should always descend in your drops as it is more stable, ideally you want to take corners in them too. Most people are afraid that they cannot reach the brakes when they first try the position. While some people really cannot and need to adjust the position of the levers on the bars or get shimmed out, a lot of people just need to get more comfortable doing it. Even with my tiny hands I don't have to have shims or short reach levers. I do usually keep my brakes a little loose so I can have my fingers around the levers without actually braking (this also keeps me from acccidentallly braking in the pack if I'm startled). I did find with my Fuji that the shop set it up with the handlebars tipped way down so that I was sliding down the drops and yes! I had a hard time staying in the drops, much less braking in them. I had to turn the bars so that the drops were much more level and move the levers up the bars a bit to be comfortable both in the drops and on the hoods.

    For racers - races like crits - always in the drops! If you are in a tight pack in a road race, its a whole lot safer too - with your hands in your drops you are much less likely to lose control if bumped or to lock handlebars with another rider. Always in the drops for descents and sprints.
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  6. #21
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    My 105s are double shimmed, and for me, it makes all the difference in feeling safe and secure in the drops descending. Before, descending in the drops was quite scary because I couldn't reach the brakes well enough. Now, a fairly short time later, I feel downright scared if I try to descend on the hoods.
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  7. #22
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    I wonder if it scared DH properly?

    He wanted to go to the post office tonight, on the bike rather than in the car. Had a movie to drop off (Netflix). What a piddly ride that is now that we're used to riding! But oh how he whined! First, he's getting over a cold. That in itself, well, it's good for a lot of fussing.

    When we go on busy roads, he thinks it's better if he rides behind me, cuz then he's the one who gets hit if anyone gets hit, right? Like I should feel better about that? We could fight over who gets to ride in back, I tell you! (I feel better behind him, cuz he's one of those guys you'd rather follow than wonder what he's going to do next!) So, he makes me ride in front, but then he's whining cuz I'm going too fast or too slow all the time, or I'm out in the lane, or whatever. And he always does something goofy to get me ahead of him, and then complains if I follow him, instead of going the way he meant for us to go! On the other hand, if I don't follow him when he's not trying to loop around behind me...

    (Husbands -- gotta love 'em!)

    (shall I get to the point now?)

    Well, immediately after we turn onto our main road down into town -- where the post office is -- we go down hill. It's a pretty good one, good for about 30mph easy! On the other hand, it's busy, and the bike lane vanishes at the bottom (so do the other three lanes for cars! it goes from five to two lanes with no shoulder in a hurry!) so you want to be a little bit careful, right?

    I tried my drops! Now, I haven't had those brake levers shimmed yet, and I still should, but I tried it for the hill, and I liked it! Reaching the brakes isn't good, but once I had hold of the levers, and there's plenty of play there, I also experimented with those on the way down. This was a straight shot. I'll find a really easy curvy one soon, cuz that was fun!

    I can't help but wonder if he was cruising along behind me wondering what the he!! is she up to now???? and wishing I'd settle down and ride "civilized."

    So thank you ladies! Another thing learned!

    And oh yeah: I got back up that hill too! No stopping! Soon, DH will wish I were stopping again -- his excuse to stop too!

    (still icky to pedal in the drops -- I think it was Road Raven mentioned that belly issue? That's going to take a while to resolve!)

    Karen in Boise

  8. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post

    (still icky to pedal in the drops -- I think it was Road Raven mentioned that belly issue? That's going to take a while to resolve!)

    Yup - and belly is still there...but it gets smaller and tighter over time and it gets less in the way of my thighs


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    I tried to go in my drops yesterday (though not downhill) and noticed that my hands are going toward the bottom instead of out where the brakes are. I don't know if that makes sense but the brakes are where the curve is and it's a very long curve so I tend to move to the bottom of the curve because that's where my hands end up. No brakes there! My bike was recently fit (though we didn't discuss riding in the drops because I think he thought that isn't what I wanted) so is it that? Or should the bar maybe be swapped?

  10. #25
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    Re: counter steering

    Kano, you and I need to get together, as I think I can help you with the counter steering thing.
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