I don't think its even worth questioning. ITS DANGEROUS. The group I rode with did not allow anyform of ear buds. We carried cell phones for emergency and if we did get an emergency call, we all stopped so that the designated person could take the call.

Even with safety on our minds, one season was particularly bad. One gal crashed into a tree on the way back down from Onyx summit during training ride. Later in the season another gal got distracted or something and half wheeled during a pace line and went flying. Then there was me. So three member was out for the season and two of us, it was the end of club riding.

It took me 6 month before I felt okay. Healing from shattered collar bone and from a bad concussion.

And no I don't have qualms about telling people about safety. I rather be a ***** then have someone suffer unnecessary injuries/permanent disability.

When you have been where I was and came back to tell about it, you don't mind telling people. I routinely tell (mostly men) about wearing a helmet. Mothers are wearing and so are their children but the father often isn't. GRR!!!

And the cyclist who butted in. He isn't an experienced rider the way he behaved. Stupid FRED/BARNEY. You should tell him to pull to the side or get out of the paceline cause his disrupting your training.

I try to be nice but helmet/safety issues, I am not nice. I tell it the way I see it. I look at it knowing that I may have saved someones life down the road.

Shawn