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  1. #1
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    Don't worry about saving the planet. Yup, the planet will be fine, it's us who're gonna be in trouble.

    Comets, asteroids, ice-ages, steamy jungle periods; planet keeps on rollin' along. It's the critters who pay the price.

    What's gonna hurt us (but not the planet, the planet will cope) is that this warming is far more abrupt and extreme than "normal" global change. All the niche-refilling and adaptive radiation and migrational change that would normally have plenty of time to keep up just *can't* right now.

    50 years of human-initiated warming isn't as sexy or dramatic as 50 minutes of comet collision, but on a geologic scale it might be just as devastating. We've got extinction rates going thru the roof right now. Just look at what's happening to the amphibians.

    I'm actually more concerned about living ethically/low impact than I am about global warming. (though I suppose they do tie together) I feel more ashamed knowing that someone in China is living substandard, breathing incredibly polluted air, and working under conditions I would never want to work under; just so I can have my Nikes for cheap. How many child slaves worked to death mining, how many murdered gem smugglers, just to get that pretty diamond necklace from The Shane Co at half it's real value?

    (though now you can get "certified" blood-free and slave-labor free diamonds, but I don't really believe it. A metallurgist I know has a titanium wedding ring, because he feels the mining practices for titanium are more ethical than for gold. There are choices to be aware of everywhere.)
    "If Americans want to live the American Dream, they should go to Denmark." - Richard Wilkinson

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    Oh yep I am sorry to be so preachy above.

    KnottedYet is right, it is hard to be aware of every decision we make and consider the millions of consequences that they may or may not have. I am just trying to do the best I can, living my life with intention.

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    I didn't think you were preachy. I'm right there with you, but global warming is beyond my scope of comprehension (despite living with an atmospheric physicist for 10 years) so I look at the more local and ethical effects of my choices for my inspiration. In the long run, these same choices impact global warming, too.

    It's all one big interactive piece.

    Whatever focus gets a person out of their consumer-media-prescribed rut is a good focus. (Outreach is the toughest part.) One person might ride her bike because it saves her gas money, another might ride hers because it makes her healthy, another might be riding to cut down on greenhouse emissions. Well, all 3 are reaping all 3 benefits. It's just the inspirational focus that is different.

    Edit: my "don't worry about the planet" comment was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. The planet will continue (maybe as something like Venus, maybe like Europa) but the conditions we create are going to impact life on the planet including ourselves.
    Last edited by KnottedYet; 05-05-2007 at 09:25 PM.
    "If Americans want to live the American Dream, they should go to Denmark." - Richard Wilkinson

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    The Ozone layer is something I'm not convinced about either. Perhaps the hole in the Ozone layer has always been there we just didn't know about it until the advent of space satellites and computers.

    I'm more concerned on a local level. In the centre of our town there are so many "traffic calming" schemes that cars end up crawling or sitting stationary - and it stinks. We definitely have too many cars, lorries and buses on the road. Parking space is at a premium - and it's expensive. Getting to work on my bike is so much easier too. It takes a maximum of 16 minutes to get to work as opposed to anything up to 35 minutes in the car. 35 minutes to go 2 1/2 miles Even going home is quicker by bike as in the car at peak periods you end up stuck in a bottle-neck and it can take 45 minutes for the same journey. 20 minutes maximum by bike (and I hope to knock a few minutes of that time as I get fitter). If hubby drove the car from our place of work and I took the bike, I'd have his cup of tea waiting for him by the time he got home LOL.

    In my house I switched to energy saving bulbs a long time ago for two reasons. 1. They work out cheaper. 2. They last much longer than conventional bulbs. Using them does have a knock-on effect for the environment too.

    It does frequently cross my mind that by using my bike I am helping the environment in a small way but I'm still not convinced about the hype on Global Warming. It is a natural phenomena that's been around since time began. I just think it's being exploited to clobber ordinary people with taxes they can not afford, certainly in this country.
    There are a lot of unwanted, unloved bikes out there - go on give a bike a good home

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    If you really want to do something for the planet, have fewer children.

    Have one or two of your own. If you love kids and want more, adopt or become a foster parent. Volunteer in your local school. There are lots of ways to fill that need for kids w/o actually having them.

    If you only have one or two kids, you won't need that huge SUV.

    V.
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    I only had two kids - one of each They're grown up now (27 and 20 respectively).

    One of our neighbours has five kids. That many kids would drive me nuts!!!

    As for 4x4s (SUVs) our government has decided to penalise owners by doubling the road tax to £440 per year. Why? There are other cars that are not 4x4s that use even more fuel. They haven't been penalised. Why not? If "gas guzzlers" are going to be penalised with extra road tax then it should be across the board, not just single out one particular type. Of course, our government ministers zoom around in "gas guzzlers" like Jaguars etc. so it wouldn't be anything to do with that now would it?

    Try getting a dialysis machine and everything that goes with it plus luggage, a dog and 3 adults into an ordinary car. Won't fit. If it wasn't for the fact that we have a 4x4 my son would not have been able to visit his Uncle in Scotland or his sister and hubby who also live in Scotland. By penalising 4x4s, our government has penalised people who rely on 4x4s to get around. As it happens last year my son went down with appendicitis and due to the proverbial "c*ck up" between two hospitals ended up with two unnecessary operations and an abdomen full of adhesions so his home dialysis is no more. He now goes to the local renal unit 3 times a week for dialysis. In two weeks time my brother is coming down from Scotland to be tested to see if he might be a suitable live donor for my son. We therefore don't need to rely on the 4x4 any more so I will be selling it very soon (once I dig out the registration document - can't remember where on earth I put it). The proceeds of the sale will pay off the outstanding balance of my new bike and buy a small, economical car which, hopefully after this summer is all we will need.

    Although I don't buy the global warming theory, I suppose I do try to help the environment. Another sore point over here is recycling. No doubt a good idea but as usual, our government is going the wrong way about it. We recycle wherever possible. I use a compost bin and recycle cardboard and paper. We are to have the recycling extended in our area to tins and glass later this year. However, in other areas where this is being done, people are being criminalised for putting the wrong paper in the wrong bin. Just recently people were taken to Court because their little boy (only about 3 years old) had put a piece of paper in the wrong bin. Not only were the parents fined but now have a CRIMINAL record. This is so wrong when people committing REAL crimes get off Scot Free. That is not the way to encourage people to recycle. Many people are saying they won't bother now as they fear being criminalised and who can blame them.

    What I'd prefer to see would be incentives to recycle. Perhaps recycle X amount and receive a pack of energy saving bulbs or something like that. I think that would definitely encourage people to recycle. Everyone likes a freebie or two, especially useful ones.

    Most importantly, though is to encourage people to get out of their cars and cycle or walk. There's no doubting the enormous benefits for both people and the environment.

    As far as cycling goes, I'm now completely converted to cycling - even looking ahead to winter and winter clothing.
    There are a lot of unwanted, unloved bikes out there - go on give a bike a good home

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    One reason SUV's are often taxed higher is due to their higher ground weight. A Hummer or a Chevy Suburban does more damage to roads than a Jaguar sports car. They're both paying more in gas taxes because they use more gas than the majority of vehicles, which I doubt most would have a problem with. Heaver vehicles cause more wear and tear on the infrastructure than smaller, lighter vehicles. So I totally support a higher registration on those vehicles. They cause more surface maintenance issues. To be honest, I doubt that most people who drive SUV's have a need to load three adults, a dialysis machine and a dog into it every single day. Many of us need to stop buying vehicles for what they "might need." (I'm not necessarily saying that is your case, Python.) Just because a person hauls the boat to the lake or river once a year and puts it in, doesn't mean they need to drive a vehicle that sucks 14 mpg all year round. Just because they live in an area where it snows, doesn't mean they need four wheel drive. I grew up in southwestern Minnesota on the snowy, wind-whipped prairie, and got by just fine with my front wheel drive Geo Prizm. I personally cannot fathom any reasonable explanation for someone who lives in a city (or really, anywhere else) to drive a Hummer. Unless they are a wilderness safari tour leader on the weekends. Hmm...don't know anyone like that.

    On global warming...our honorable (? Ok, not my favorite) congresswoman, Michele Bachmann, got roaring laughter when she used dubya's line, "the jury's still out on global warming" in a debate. That might be out on Youtube somewhere.

    Yay for us for getting out of our cars and onto our bikes. Now plant some trees. Spend the money to get the efficient light bulbs and appliances. Lobby your city for pedestrian and bike friendly development. Plant a community garden and get your neighbors together. Put a receiver hitch on your car and pull a small trailer on those days when you need to haul something. Heck, go in on one with some of your neighbors.

    Getting off my soapbox now.
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    "I rejoice every time I see a woman ride by on a bike. It gives her a feeling of self-reliance and independence the moment she takes her seat; and away she goes, the picture of untrammelled womanhood."
    Susan B. Anthony, 1896

 

 

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