Well in cycling circles I try to avoid it, being my bike is considered cheap for a road bike. However, in non-cycling circles people can't believe I spent $800 on it. Which always leaves me thinking you'd be floored if I could afford the ones I really want. $4,000 to $5,000 would be a nice beater bike. Its funny though when I do pull out my beater bike and it is still gasp over $200. By the way I hate steel (rusting) so my next beater will be a few hundred more to get good aluminum and real SRAM of Shimano parts. (oh its mountain).