Well, I finally broke down and got a Brooks saddle. Actually my husband got tired of my complaining and bought it. Tried it out this weekend on a seventy mile ride. It's certainly more comfortable than my Terry Butterfly was. I think I still need to tweak the position a bit. The leather seems to be really hard, but when I am actually riding, I don't notice it. The cool thing is, the company we got it from has a six month return policy.