i can't aford to get one, i know that my bf has a rio and he really likes it, it's also a pretty old one but it has worked for like 4 years no prob, if i ever have money for a music player i want one that plays oggs wich are not proprietary and one of the best formats as far as music quality goes, i know some of the newer ones play oggs, and all the music on my computer is in ogg format, i guess one reason i don't want a player is that i don't feel like converting my music files to other formats, tho i know a lot of newer players are starting to use the ogg format