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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikingmomof3 View Post
    Great tips Denise. I run at night and wear a lot of lights, but it sounds like I could use more.
    I walk at night and I also wear a lot of lights. Funny - last night I was walking through the college campus next to my home and two of the college policemen called out to me and asked if cars stopped for me. I guess I was visible!

    The lights I like are the Firefly Supernova lights from RoadID. I use 2 blinking red lights facing to the back on a reflective belt, 1 blinking blue light facing forward on the same reflective belt, and 2 blinking blue lights strapped to my right arm facing forward (since I am walking facing traffic). It seems to work - since that's the second time I've been told I looked like a police car.
    Quote Originally Posted by massbikebabe View Post
    Denise;
    GREAT POST!!!! You are, (to quote my children), AWESOME... This post makes me realize us NE girls need to get a dinner together again.

    karen
    who is forwarding this info to college student daughter who is riding the streets of Boston well after dark
    Thanks Karen! You're right, we should all get together again...

    --- Denise
    Last edited by DeniseGoldberg; 11-11-2006 at 11:31 AM.
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    Thanks Denise! I definitely do not have enough lights on.
    Jennifer

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    Thanks, Denise. I started riding after dark last year and have really focused a lot of attention on being visible on night. This winter I think I'll be doing more daytime riding in the fog. I've always stayed off the roads because visibility is so poor, but this year I can't if I want to make some goals. Therefore, I've been working on visibility in the fog. Visibility in the dark is almost a piece o' cake in comparison to the fog. Reflective items just don't cut it in the fog so you almost need more lights in some ways.
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    Driving home from work this week, like Denise, I encountered a commuting cyclist from behind who had a bright blinking tail light, but no other forms of reflectivity and darkish cycling clothing (tho after a certain level of darkness, even screaming yellow wouldn't have helped much). I immediately thought "Illuminite" -- the fabric that's used in jerseys, vests, jackets, and such, and lights up in car headlights. Does anyone who rides after dark use it? From the photos in catalogs, it looks like it would dramatically increase a rider's visibility to a car with headlights on, but I've never actually seen it in use.

    I worry about those bike commuters out there too -- and as a fellow cyclist (tho' I don't ride at night), I certainly feel for them. I think some of them just have no idea that they are not as visible to motorists as they think.

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    I live in a college town and there seems to be a distinct difference in one's perception of visibility between adults and students. The students will have whatever OEM reflectors came on their claptrap bikes and a very weak head lamp, though most don't even have this. You would think that a few days of the campus police getting a little persnickety would solve this. Earlier this week, 3 of them plowed into each other behind us at a roundy because none of them had lights and could see one another. The adult commuters have lights, reflective wear and aren't wearing headphones or talking on their cellphones. It just seems so easy for a college to do some education about visibility -- and then enforce it on campus.
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    Sadly, this morning a cyclist in Louisville was killed as he made a right turn off a busy road onto a side street just as a motorist was making a left turn onto the same side street. The accident occurred just before sunrise and according to various news sources in town the cyclist was not wearing any reflective clothing. He had the right of way but the motorist did not see him. Now a family grieves the loss of their loved one and the motorist's life has been changed forever, a sad start to the day for many.

    Last night as I was traveling on one of Louisville's busiest roadways I came upon a cyclist who apparently had a deathwish. They had a blinking light on the bike but it was very evident the batteries were worn out for the light was quite dim. The cyclist had on a reflective vest but it too appeared to be tired for it was not bouncing light like it should. Finally, the cyclist was dressed in black making them even harder to see at 8:30 p.m. I'm guessing this person made it home safe and sound but all I can say is they were very fortunate to do so.

    Please take Denise's note to heart if you ride before the sun rises or after it sets. We have a responsibility to make ourselves visible so all can see us from the front, from the back and from the side.
    Marcie

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    Quote Originally Posted by emily_in_nc View Post
    ...I immediately thought "Illuminite" -- the fabric that's used in jerseys, vests, jackets, and such, and lights up in car headlights. Does anyone who rides after dark use it?
    Emily
    I have a jacket that has Illuminte in the sleeves and in a band around the bottom of the jacket. I bought it because I liked the jacket (as opposed to for the Illuminite). Illuminite does light up when it's hit by lights - but only with a direct hit straight at the material. So I'd say that it's OK as an extra, but not as a sole lighting source.

    I still believe that lighter and brighter colors are better at night - they are more visible when hit by light than dark colors.

    But I really believe that if we're going to be out on the road at night - whether it's on our bikes or on foot - that we need some type of active light (as in blinking lights, not just bright colored or reflective fabric).

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    Thank you again Denise for reminding me I am not lit up enough when I run at night. I will be ordering more lights, since I actually prefer running in the evenings.
    Jennifer

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    I think lots of lights of lights are important. Sometimes visibility is the hardest in town because of the dazzle of the street lights, car lights, porch lights, store fronts, etc., so even more lights maybe necessary there.

    On the blinking lights, I thought that drunks were attracted to blinking lights and that a steady light is better. I know on brevets, a blinkling light means you need assistance. Anyone have links to the studies on blinking lights and safety?
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    Great post. I look at it like this, if you have daytime running lights on your car, try to do the same for you and your bike. I'm going to put a blinky on my bike even for daytime on top of my bright clothing etc.

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    I'm lucky I have a specialty store near me (Seattle Fabrics) that sells strips of reflective tape, reflectorized grosgrain ribbon, even reflective-coated ripstop nylon. I add this stuff to EVERYTHING. But Denise is right - active lighting is way better than passive systems ilike textiles and reflectors. Reflectors only work at very limited angles, and things like coated fabrics have that same limitation as well as not working when they're wet! Sheldon Brown has some really interesting articles on reflectors:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html
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    There are 2 ways to add reflectivity to any jacket. The easiest and most reversable is to top it with a cycling/running vest. However, this route means putting on still another layer of clothes, which is a real drag. I went to a marine (boating supply) store and purchased flexible retroreflective stickers. I put them on the back of my jacket, down the arms & in stripes over my shoulders halfway down the front of the jacket. So far they have stayed on through at least 8 launderings.

 

 

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