Overtrained????

[indysteel]

Shefly, are you suffering from any other symptoms of overtraining, e.g., do you feel depressed, have you gotten sick lately or more often than usual, are you having trouble staying asleep through the night, is your resting heart rate higher than normal, is your heartrate during exercise higher or lower than normal, do your legs feel tired when you're on the bike, do you do anything exercise-wise that's off the bike?

If the answer to any or all of these questions is yes, then I'd suggest, as C-Cain has that you take a bit of a break and/or rethink your training plan. You may be overtrained or underrecovered.

Good luck!

Kate

[SheFly]

Shefly, are you suffering from any other symptoms of overtraining, e.g., do you feel depressed, have you gotten sick lately or more often than usual, are you having trouble staying asleep through the night, is your resting heart rate higher than normal, is your heartrate during exercise higher or lower than normal, do your legs feel tired when you're on the bike, do you do anything exercise-wise that's off the bike?

Yes to all of the above! I guess that's a good indication of where I'm at...

Maybe you need a little time like that. You know - where you ride just for the enjoyment of the ride. I have to tell you, I'm really enjoying the rides where I stay with Thom (my overworked/undertrained hubby) and don't think about training. I can talk, I can look at the scenery... I finish the ride and and have energy left to do other things.

Agreed, V. I've been trying to do this, but the issue is that I don't even have the energy for fun rides right now! I went out on Tuesday night for an easy/recovery ride after my stage race. After a VERY easy ride (when looking down and seeing 12mph, I feel like I should be going harder...), I was on my way home and just wanted to stop - it literally felt like I was going backwards!

I bet if you take a little time off, get your mind away from biking, that you'll come back not only fresh, but stronger.

Agreed - now can you also give this information to DH??? I am trying to taper back the during the week riding, taking a bit of a break. I think I may also try skipping a couple of races between now and Nationals to see if that will help put the freshness back in before then without losing the fitness.

Thanks to everyone for the responses - I think I knew the answer to the question, but it is great to get reinforcement.

SheFly

[velogirl]

I'll throw a little fly in the ointment here.

There are those in the exercise phys. world who don't believe over-training exists. Our body has an incredible ability to adapt to training stress. Which means we can continue to do crazy things like stage races, riding cross country, ultra-marathons, etc. Yeah, I know, everyone talks about over-training. My athletes keep all the standard physiological markers in their journal (morning HR, mood, sleep quality, etc). But there are those in the coaching biz who feel it's just a term we all use a lot. I've worked with racers who clearly aren't over-trained but use the term to explain any decrease in performance.

As was mentioned earlier, the fine line is your level of freshness. That's what sounds like is suffering right now, SheFly.

In and of itself, your road + cross season has been pretty short. But this is your first season of racing, isn't it? How many races have you done this season? Did you take a mid-season break? Most road racers really cut back on their bike volume during cross season (if they're racing cross). Have you done that, or are you trying to maintain the same training levels as before?

For example, during the road season, I'm on the bike 15-20 hours a week. During cross, I'm on the bike only 3 or 4 days a week (maybe 8-10 hours). I'm also running and lifting, so there's a different training stimulus, but it's mentally pretty freeing to have some time off the bike. And my power numbers have actually increased since August.

My first advice is that if you're trying to maintain your road schedule (or more if you've also added in weights and running), you should cut back. Most cross racers do one or two interval sessions during the week (one set of short intervals 15-60 seconds; one set of 2 x 20s) -- that's it (in addition to racing). Other miles are considered junk miles.

If you take a short break you won't lose fitness. You'll gain freshness. The secret is timing this right so you peak for nationals in five weeks.

One observation I've had racing cross for the past four years (and coaching cross racers) is that we tend to peter out in November. Because most of us aren't doing high-volume low-intensity aerobic work, we begin to lose that aerobic base. It's more evident with the longer races (men). So, one option for you is to only do easy, aerobic riding the next couple of weeks and then ramp up your intensity again. This will strengthen your base and also give you a bit of freshness. Or take a week off completely, do one very low-intensity week, and then jump back into low-volume, high-intensity training.

Cross is a crazy sport. Most coaches frown on road racers racing cross. It completely changes your training calendar. You don't get the traditional down time or base-building in the fall so you have to do that in the early part of the year while all your training buddies/teammates are already adding in some intensity This also delays your road racing season until at least March or April (not a problem in the northeast). I personally couldn't imagine a fall without cross. If done right, you'll maintain and improve fitness (and your mind will be happy too).

[SheFly]

In and of itself, your road + cross season has been pretty short. But this is your first season of racing, isn't it? How many races have you done this season? Did you take a mid-season break? Most road racers really cut back on their bike volume during cross season (if they're racing cross). Have you done that, or are you trying to maintain the same training levels as before?

How long is your race season??? Of course, in the Northeast, we have some weather issues. I did start the road season about a month into the races here.

You are correct - this is my first season of racing. My goal was to complete 5 road races. I finished 12 races, plus competed in our club's weekly TT series a minimum of 10 times. I also did a race clinic that was the entire month of April...

Shifting to 'cross, I took the month of August off of racing, but still maintained the same training intensity. My goal for 'cross was to try 1 race. I have now finished 7 'cross races, and have 9 more on the calendar... When I shifted to 'cross, I hadn't really changed the duration or intensity, although both have been waning over the past two weeks.

I'm also running and lifting, so there's a different training stimulus, but it's mentally pretty freeing to have some time off the bike. And my power numbers have actually increased since August.

I haven't switched to any other type of activity - still relying solely on the bike. Perhaps I need to do some running just to take some time off...

My first advice is that if you're trying to maintain your road schedule (or more if you've also added in weights and running), you should cut back. Most cross racers do one or two interval sessions during the week (one set of short intervals 15-60 seconds; one set of 2 x 20s) -- that's it (in addition to racing). Other miles are considered junk miles.

If you take a short break you won't lose fitness. You'll gain freshness. The secret is timing this right so you peak for nationals in five weeks.

One observation I've had racing cross for the past four years (and coaching cross racers) is that we tend to peter out in November. Because most of us aren't doing high-volume low-intensity aerobic work, we begin to lose that aerobic base. It's more evident with the longer races (men). So, one option for you is to only do easy, aerobic riding the next couple of weeks and then ramp up your intensity again. This will strengthen your base and also give you a bit of freshness. Or take a week off completely, do one very low-intensity race, and then jump back into low-volume, high-intensity training.

Cross is a crazy sport. Most coaches frown on road racers racing cross. It completely changes your training calendar. You don't get the traditional down time or base-building in the fall so you have to do that in the early part of the year while all your training buddies/teammates are already adding in some intensity This also delays your road racing season until at least March or April (not a problem in the northeast). I personally couldn't imagine a fall without cross. If done right, you'll maintain and improve fitness (and your mind will be happy too).

Thanks! This helps to put things in perspective for me. I didn't really know at the beginning of the 'cross season that I was going to enjoy it so much that it consumed my fall weekends. I think my training plan for next year will have a different focus. This is a learning/building year for me, so these tips are great!

SheFly

[velogirl]

Yes, it's addictive and it seems you've been bitten by the bug. I'd say you need a little break, probably mentally more than anything.

Oh, and our road season begins January 1st and runs through September 3oth. Cross begins mid-September and runs through the end of January. As a coach, I have BIG challenges with my clients who want to ride HARD 12 months of the year.