ok - thought I'd give everyone an update - I tried to pull the elastic out - its stitched into the bottom seam. By the time I was done - I had pretty much ruined the bottom hem of the jersey so I just cut it off - right below the flat felled seaming and gee guess what??......in a 6 mile ride this morning I only tugged twice and it never really rode up to my waist. Now - while I don't feel this is the solution - for someone out there with a jersey they bought coz it was "cool" but now hate coz it rides up - it does offer an alternative. And I agree with you kimba - I can't stand not having pockets! I even got all "princess pissy" when I saw the womens jersey my LBS carried only had 2 pockets and shorter zippers than the mens. Yet another reason I bought the mens jersey! And thanks slinkedog - I'm going to look into the Descente and Castelli (sp) jerseys and see what I can find. I"ve also been sizing the womens and Holy Toledo - do they think we're all super models??...most of the womens XL was Just my chest size.....*shakes head*...sticking with the mens jerseys for now!