Thanks for getting back with me. I want to purchase the saddle today. I hope the LBS has both so I can see for myself. I have heard that too much gel makes it harder to ride on hills or go fast. You feel that there isn't too much. Sounds like a good saddle to me. I am also happy to hear your remarks on the shorts. I was going to purchas the PI ultrasensors but really can't afford to get all I need in just one day. I have the sugars and have had no problem. After reading your comments, I'll use the the sugars this weekend for my long ride.