how many seasons and/or miles til experienced?

[Veronica]

You can pass a motorcycle going downhill.

You have fixed at least 4 flats on the road (two if they were in the rain.)

You no longer care how you look in lycra.

You can clip/unclip w/o falling - or you have decided that clipless pedals aren't required and you're happy with that decision.

You can ride your road bike in the dirt.

You have actually used a chain tool. Bonus points if it was on the side of the road.

You have multiple sets of the same tools and know how to use them.

You know what you can eat at mile (1)10, (1)20, (1)30 etc.

You have at least one entire drawer devoted to your summer/winter bike clothing. The off season stuff is put away in a box in the garage/attic/cellar.

You've learned to ride your own ride and don't care what other people think.

V.

[tygab]

You can pass a motorcycle going downhill.

You have fixed at least 4 flats on the road (two if they were in the rain.)

You no longer care how you look in lycra.

You can clip/unclip w/o falling - or you have decided that clipless pedals aren't required and you're happy with that decision.

You can ride your road bike in the dirt.

You have actually used a chain tool. Bonus points if it was on the side of the road.

You have multiple sets of the same tools and know how to use them.

You know what you can eat at mile (1)10, (1)20, (1)30 etc.

You have at least one entire drawer devoted to your summer/winter bike clothing. The off season stuff is put away in a box in the garage/attic/cellar.

You've learned to ride your own ride and don't care what other people think.

V.

Well some of this I have done - I never really cared how I looked in bike shorts tho early season pics suggest maybe I should have (heh). I have been able to pace my food intake for distance miles (50+) and next year I want to tackle a century, so I think that'll be ok. Have only summer clothes at present but working on getting some more seasonal items. Much of the early season was about clipless learning and confidence, so I feel pretty set there now. Road bike in the dirt, not so much.

Most of the tools I haven't used. Maybe that's a good place to start, learn some bike maintenance in the off season time. I guess I was thinking more like handling and riding skills tho.

[Eden]

You can pass a motorcycle going downhill.

You have fixed at least 4 flats on the road (two if they were in the rain.)

You no longer care how you look in lycra.

You can clip/unclip w/o falling - or you have decided that clipless pedals aren't required and you're happy with that decision.

You can ride your road bike in the dirt.

You have actually used a chain tool. Bonus points if it was on the side of the road.

You have multiple sets of the same tools and know how to use them.

You know what you can eat at mile (1)10, (1)20, (1)30 etc.

You have at least one entire drawer devoted to your summer/winter bike clothing. The off season stuff is put away in a box in the garage/attic/cellar.

You've learned to ride your own ride and don't care what other people think.

V.

Wow - amazingly enough I can actually say yes to all of those......ummm my name is Eden and I'm a bike addict.....
but I'm not sure if I can pick up a bottle or not.

[Kitsune06]

I cheated on the bottle thing... outta the seat and leaning the bike out a little the other way. Took a lot of strength to pull it up to the 'right' position though. I don't think you're supposed to do it that way on a road bike

[velogirl]

I teach folks how to ride bikes. That's what I do for a living. I teach beginners who've never sat on a bike before, experienced racers who've been racing for years, and everyone in between. I think I've just about seen it all when it comes to learning to ride.

Anyways, I've got a few theories about why we progress at different rates.

The first has to do with your athletic history. I firmly believe that if you've mastered any balance sport (skiing, skating, cycling, sky-diving, dancing, etc), you can easily pick up another balance sport. By mastery, I mean that you understand the principles behind balance and weight distribution. Afterall, cycling (and other balance sports) are all about balance and weight distribution.

How many of you really understand why your bike stays upright when it's rolling? Or why it's more stable leaning through a turn? Or why you should sit behind the saddle during an emergency stop or a steep descent? Do you realize that you steer your bike with your hips (not your hands)?

Unfortunately, most new riders never take the time to learn the basic prinicples behind the sport -- balance and weight distribution. Instead, they learn the more intricate "tricks" of the trade -- cornering, descending, steering, taking one or both hands off the bar, etc. All fine and good, but these are the icing on the cake. These are the implementations of those two basic principles. And if you never really understand those two principles, you'll never really master cycling.

Okay, that's theory one.

Now, on to some other thoughts.

We all learn differently. Some of us have more outgoing personalities than others. Some of us like risk. Some of us have fear or are timid. Some of us are very analytical. Our personality affects the way we approach the sport. While being conservative may prevent you from crashing, it will most likely also prevent you from really understanding how to push your limits and also to understand how the bike works.

Many of us also never receive instruction in how to ride. Everyone knows how to ride a bike, right? Or, we just get tips from the older gentleman in the club who's been riding for 40 years (whether or not he really knows what he's doing). Participating in a skills clinic or private instruction with a coach is the best way to learn how to ride a bike. If we want to learn to golf, we take lessons. Same with tennis and skiing. And the same should be true with cycling, however I can't tell you how many people I know who mistakenly think they know how to ride. We certainly wouldn't try to drive a car or ride a motorcycling without instruction. Why do we try to ride a bike without learning how to do it properly?

Most of us just get on the bike and ride. We might learn a little more about HR or cadence or even proper skills, but we never practice those things. If you want to learn to descend like an ace, you need to learn to counter-steer like a pro and be able to do it at speed (20+ mph). To do that, you have to go to a parking lot and practice. A lot. Frequently. If you do take a clinic, you need to practice your skills until you really understand them.

Whew! Can you tell I'm passionate about this? I see so much potential on the road. I believe just about anyone can become a skilled, confident rider. I wish each one of you could take one of my clinics -- you'd be amazed at what a difference you'd see in your riding.

[ClockworkOrange]

......................Whew! Can you tell I'm passionate about this? I see so much potential on the road. I believe just about anyone can become a skilled, confident rider. I wish each one of you could take one of my clinics -- you'd be amazed at what a difference you'd see in your riding.

OK, can you book me up for a correspondence course, 'cos it's just a little bit too far to commute!

You guys really get into this cycling thing, way more than in the UK.

It makes interesting reading though, thanks for taking the time to write it all.

I have a constant low back problem and am just very wary of doing anything too fast or daring. One thing I would really like to be able to do, is bump or jump up a kerb, I always have to stop and then lift my bike...............doh! BTW, I ride a MTB not a road bike.


Sally

[Crankin]

Hi Tasha,

I thought your questions were interesting. According to Veronica's criteria, I will never be an experienced cyclist! I mean you rode with me and I hope I didn't look like a newbie when I was leading our ride. I think it does have to do with personality differences, risk aversion, and what kind of athletic background we have. I've been riding for 6 years (the first 2 on a street ready mtb). I still cannot master the water bottle thing very well. I wear my Camelback for any ride longer than 20 miles, not only so I don't have to worry about dropping my bottle, but also, I find that I need to drink an incredible amount. On a 50 mile ride I will drink the whole Camelbak of water and one bottle of Accelerade, sometimes 1 and a half. My problem is basically balance and really bad depth perception. I find I just cannot take my right hand off of the bar for anything, except signalling and even that is hard (I"ve practiced that). I can descend at 30 mph but I don't like it. It has to be a fairly straight road for me to do that and most mountain descents aren't straight. I find myself feeling very out of control and scared over about 25 mostly because I don't have the leaning, balance thing right, especially on right corners. So I just go slow. I would rather ride than say I have to practice everything before I can go out and ride. I do want to work on these things, but I need someone to coach me as Velogirl says.
I skated as a kid, but that didn't seem to help my balance issues. I think I am doing a lot more than I EVER thought I would, especially at the age of almost 53. On the other hand, I feel pretty comfortable in a lot of traffic situations that would have freaked me out 2 years ago. I am cautious and vigilant and I think that makes me feel comfortable. My husband is very aggressive when he commutes in traffic on Rt. 27 and I couldn't do that. I feel like I am assertive, but not aggressive.
The mechanical stuff is another thing. I know you are a techie, but I am the absolute opposite. I can change a tire, but getting the back wheel on is not easy for me. I have never had to do it on the road. I've only had 2 flats while riding and my husband changed them both, to save time... he can do it with no tools in about 5 minutes! I really don't feel the need to learn to do anything else besides change a flat and grease my chain, which I do. If something else breaks, I would not attempt to fix it. It would be great if we could practice some mechanical stuff together this winter.
I don't think I'm a newbie, but I am not sure I would ever master some of the other things people have discussed here.

Robyn

[Veronica]

According to Veronica's criteria...

"It's a joke son. I say it's a joke."

V.

When you ask for someone's opinion, that's what you're going to get. It doesn't make it truth.

[7rider]

"It's a joke son. I say it's a joke."

V.

When you ask for someone's opinion, that's what you're going to get. It doesn't make it truth.

WHEW! That's a relief!!!
Cuz, when I read your list, I thought "Where's the bar? I thought your aren't a REAL cyclist until you walk into a seedy neighborhood bar while clad in lycra and ask to refill your waterbottles!"

And BTW, I thought I was experienced (anyone got Jimi Hendrix running through their brains?) but perhaps not! (BTW, I'm breathing down the neck of mile 2,000 also this year...a personal best for me.)

Honestly, I wouldn't know what to do with a chain tool and keep my LBS on speed dial on my cell! I know just enough about bike mechanics and maintenance to be dangerous. I figure, I don't change my oil in my car by myself and I have no clue how it works, so do I really need to do all my bike work by myself? Sure, I can fix a flat, adjust my saddle, replace my cleats, and change pedals. But repair or replace a headset? Overhaul a bottom bracket? Swap out a cassette? Nope. Mostly, I rely on routine check ups with my trusted mechanic to keep the machine running correctly from the start.

P.S. I never picked up a waterbottle from the ground, and I"d probably break my neck if I tried!

[GLC1968]

I have been pondering this exact same topic for a couple of weeks now myself...ever since reading that same article in Bicycling! I'm finishing my second 'season' of cycling (though I plan to ride year round this year) and while I can ride centuries and climb mountains, I still find myself very much wanting to improve my handling skills. (my decents are practically slower than my climbs! )

Veronica - I can say 'yes' to all but maybe two of your 'criteria' but I know I still have a TON to learn. Actually, my guess is that the Jeremy guy in the article would be able to say 'yes' as well...and he still had issues. I think it was really interesting because while he was fit and fast...and he got there in record time (like 1 season?) but it didn't give him time to develop the proper handling skills. His riding buddies said that he was a menace because he was good enough to get into trouble, but not good enough to get out in time! (this is my dad's theory on 4x4's...they just get you stuck further away from help! )

Velogirl - very interesting points! Your thoughts on balance interest me greatly. I grew up ice skating...hours a day. I also happen to be blessed with general coordination and athleticism. BUT, when I first started riding, balance was DEFINITELY a big problem for me. Now that I have a bike that fits me better (my first one was too big), my balance has improved, but it's still a weak spot for me (which I never would have guessed). There is no way that I could pick up a water bottle. I have a hard time getting it out of my cage while holding my line...never mind off the ground!! I'd like to try racing, but I know that I'd be a danger to myself and the other riders without some serious bike handling skill improvement. I really want to take a clinic. How would one go about finding something like you described here in my area?

[Geonz]

I read about Jeremy and reflected that he's what happens when people don't approach cycling as something to *learn.* These are the guys (tho' not necessarily of the male persuasion) who get strong and fast before they figure out group dynamics or physics (or other factors - like getting overheated and going off the road ... more than once... think and learn, good people!)

Whether the instruciton is formal or via finding knowledgeable folks and asking, a person can become "experienced" more quickly by doing it on purpose. Practice makes a difference, too -miles in different situations.

I've got lots and lots of miles - but still consider myself inexperienced about some things (and I'm not being humble... I'm downright ignorant ) Mainly 'cause it just takes me longer to learn some stuff...

[DeniseGoldberg]

I'm delighted to hear that Veronica was joking (although I've actually done most of the things in her list).

I consider myself a pretty experienced cyclist, but I've never tried to pick a water bottle up from the ground - and while that may be a good exercise, it's not something I have any intention of trying. I think that as you continue to ride you will continue to become more comfortable with some of the things you've listed as non-starters. Some of the things will remain though. For example, in spite of the number of years I've been riding, I still have problems getting started on a steep uphill. That's just me - and perhaps if I had more steep hills near my home and spent more time practicing, I could get over that. But it's not something I beat myself up over.

I'd say, keep riding, set reasonable goals, and enjoy yourself!

--- Denise

[BeeLady]

I will be looking for a cycling coach - my husband has mentioned that already and it does make sense. Meanwhile I have recently done lots of internet reading on proper ettiquite/safety when riding in a group and in general because a large neighborhood group ride sponsored by our LBS is what has really gotten me fired up about cycling besides just using my bike for errands. Just competed my first event (36.5 miles) and am raring to go.

I enjoy my bike and wouldn't not ride because I felt I wasn't skilled enough. Seems like more skill will come with time and mindfulness in the saddle. Fortunately I rode a unicycle as a kid and roller skated for years so I do have some natural balance. In the '70s I rode in Houston traffic on my ten-speed for miles and miles each day, no real thought about whether or not I was skilled enough to be doing that (the bliss of being a teen).

Fast forward thirty years and I am much more cautious in traffic but will take a downhill as fast as they come, even on my 12-year-old, $200 (new) bike. (BUT, I just ordered a Bianchi Volpe to replace my workhorse -- can't wait!). Hopefully on a decent bike I won't keep thinking my front wheel is about to spin off. That's where skill would come in handy -- knowing whether I'm on a safe descent or not (easy to know its fun ).

I will re-new my search for a coach - guess cycling is like skating - most people can get around a rink but for jumps, spins and spirals it takes some instruction. Will use the limited skills I have but am always happy to learn more.

Would like to live the rest of my life as an experienced cyclist - I'm at the starting line now.

[aicabsolut]

Velogirl,
You raise lots of great points. I've wondered many of the same things as someone who teaches people how to ride horses.
I think that prior athletic history is a pretty small part of it, though, and maybe can get chalked up to talent. I say this because I can steer a 1,000lb animal towards a 4'+ high fence with my hips and legs and bodyweight. I've jumped over fences with no hands, while taking a bite of a doughnut (on a dare). But I am not comfortable reaching for my water bottle in its cage yet, while holding a line.
Part of it is that I've been working on tweaking my saddle position and my butt's position on that saddle to be better balanced. But without being able to grip the top tube with my legs, for example, I'm still pretty hopeless. Also, on a road bike, you're still bent over, which I know from horses takes amazing body control, fitness, and practice to keep from falling on your face when hands are removed--unless you've got them stuck out to the side or in some other position that helps you balance better.

Still, the physics of cycling versus other balance sports is different. While I understand the difference in how a racing cyclist versus a motorcycle racer versus a jockey takes a corner at speed, doing it is another thing, particularly without someone watching you on the ground and giving you feedback.

I've always wondered why so many cyclists have limited (e.g., email) access if any at all to coaches. I'd love someone to help me the same way I tweak body position and 'handling skills' of an equestrian--whether it be a beginner or a pretty advanced competitor. I'd love a clinic, but I still feel that I'm really starting from scratch--with just a smidgen of athletic talent--when it comes to bike handling.

Besides losing the fear of falling on your face, what does it take? Just hours on the bike? Any way to speed up the learning process and flatten out that learning curve some?

[Crankin]

Veronica, I sort of knew that you were kidding (i.e. the lycra comments...), but I always feel inadequate compared to the people who ride 5,000 miles a year and can do all of their own mechanics. In fact, I feel like a poseur (sp?) a lot of the time. Yep, I've ridden 2500 miles this year and I can climb pretty well for an old lady. But I don't know how much more I can improve. My speed has gone up a lot, but I seem to have reached a plateau. It takes me longer to recover now that I have been doing more longer rides (50-100 miles).

This is sort of like when I taught aerobics. I was constantly comparing myself to the 20 year old instructors who had strong dance backgrounds and had nothing better to do than to hang out at the gym. It made the whole thing not fun. I don't want this to happen with cycling. You have to put it all in perspective. Most "regular" people, who don't ride or even do any exercise at all think all of us are amazing. When i started thinking that a 50 mile ride is not a big deal, i knew something was crazy...