no idea on the smell

so did it stay colder longer than with the polar?

i normally fill my polar to the top with ice.. then add water... on longer rides i fill about 1/4 full with water.. freeze it.. then fill with ice, then water... cuz i HATE warm water.. bleh!

when i had to refill at the top of GMR saturday.. i still had part of the chunk of ice.. and the water in the fountain was cool..

i live in the desert so it's normally very hot (90's to 100's!)