julypace, Until I got my knee warmers I was wearing 80denier black pantyhose... same as what we're FORCED to wear to high school here.

I remembered they were OK for warmth in school, not fantastic. Which is just what I needed as it wasn't that cold this year.

Can't go commando if you're wearing pantihose though...

If you're riding in really cold weather forget em and go with the leg warmers/longs