The thing that turned me off of Cranky LBS owner is that he was practically yelling at me on the phone about how much he hates ALL WSB. (Which I did end up getting) I was listening to his points but instead of asking me questions about my riding goals, build, etc. he just told me WSBs weren't for me. I did wonder about what he said but wanted to ask you all since you don't bite my head off.

The LBS raised the stem and I feel I am as upright as I need to be (don't know if this will change as I get into the longer distance rides. On the tourmalet, I am more upright and comfortable than many of the other makes I rode , but not as high as the pilot.
In the end I got a bike that feels great AND found a LBS where I feel comfortable .