well, today, i also exchanged my butterfly for a liberator x (gellisimo) at perf.

put that on the bike this evening, and all i can say is WOW! it is shorter than the butterfly and i immediately noticed that girly parts are not being mashed nor is there any pressure on them. i rode in the drops for a short while and no pain/pressure. my butt actually felt ok and i hardly noticed i was sitting on the saddle!

i should be getting the b17s in a couple of days and will try that one out as well. seems like you can return to perf just about anytime and the b17s is 6 months, so, i should be able to figure out what works in that time period.

all i can say right now is i'm in saddle nirvana