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[maillotpois]

Many of my patients lost their jobs, sometimes every adult in the family lost their jobs. Most of our patients worked in service industries, many were undocumented immigrants. Terrorism hit the poor the worst. I used to think about that a lot, that the terrorists hurt most the working poor.

Wow - that's another aspect of that which I had not thought of. Sad.

We had a long talk in the car yesterday with the PP about 9/11 and how it has been the worst thing to ever happen to our country - and not just because of the lives lost on that day. If it had ended with that day, it would still be the worst thing to have happened. But to have had it used to do so many wrong things over the years that follow is something that just makes me sick. I am sad that other countries hate us so much. There was such a wave of support, encouragement and solidarity from other nations after 9/11 and it has been flushed down the toilet by the acts of our administration.

On 9/11 we took Emily to school as usual. Teachers and parents were in shock, but everyone wanted to proceed on with some normalcy - and get your kids away from the TV. Then DH and I did a ride, Alpine Dam loop (Fish we drove a lot of that ride). Marin's in the flight path for jets coming into SFO. It was eerie to have the skies utterly silent.

[mimitabby]

On 9/11 we took Emily to school as usual. Marin's in the flight path for jets coming into SFO. It was eerie to have the skies utterly silent.

that is my only regret in not being home (in the USA) on 9-11.. I missed out on the quiet skies. I live in Seattle, which has 2 major airports (I work for an aerospace company) we have airplane noise day and night always...
I guess it was quiet here too.

[chickwhorips]

i think i caught up on some things with TD. this is what i have to say (there is more, but i need to go back through TD to be specific):

fish - sorry about your other family memeber, its hard i know. i had to send in one of my dogs after she got in a squabble with our other one. kept telling myself i was a bad parent, and forgot that it was the animal kingdom's way and nothing to do with me. i still miss her.

salsa - glad your back and your still in my thoughts.

nanci - love the new addition to the family. how is everyone taking the newest addition?

i caught a bit of something that had to do with favorite vacation spots. so far mine is still the philippines (my first trip out of the US besides canada when i was little, all i remember from that trip is my cousin's smelly feet and skeeters.). i think its beautiful down there and going again in december. though there are so many other places i would like to go.

on the whole 9/11 thing.... i can't say much. to me it didn't seem real. i was in the hospital and had a joy button of morphine (my appendix ruptured and had emergency sugery). all i remember is seeing one plane crash, thinking that didn't seem right, before i passed out again. though i did visit the pentagon after it all happened and that was eerie. i still had a hard time putting two and two together with everything that had happened. though my thoughts do go out to everyone affected by it.

[dachshund]

If it had ended with that day, it would still be the worst thing to have happened. But to have had it used to do so many wrong things over the years that follow is something that just makes me sick.

Yes, this is so appalling to me. I'm surprised more people aren't upset about this. The incident is used like a springboard for unrelated things - changes & agendas that we normally wouldn't approve of.

As it happened, I started jury duty on 9/12. I spent the rest of the week at the courthouse. It made the week seem even more surreal. We all read the newspaper from cover to cover during the breaks. We'd pass on some new detail to each other, then go back to reading.

[Kitsune06]

some guy at work today emailed me this link...
It's certainly interesting.
I agree with everyone, how it's sad that the whole world looked to America and offered their support, and we basically turned up our noses at them, then went so far as to have lots of Americans talk **** about the French because they weren't supporting us in the ways we wanted. (Maybe this was different elsewhere, but such was the case in WI)

It's going to be our generation's "Grassy Knoll" with the "magic bullet" that passed through Kennedy's skull/throat and a Secret Service agent's shoulder. No one will ever be able to know what exactly happened that day, but everyone will have theories, conspiracies and doubts. What we do know is that many people died in that building that day, and many more are dying and will die given our reactions.

It makes me sick to think that people are so easily lead, rights so quickly shed and violence so readily endured and prolonged. Didn't we learn anything from sending our sons/children/husbands (or in our generation, fathers or uncles we never got to know) to Vietnam? The enemy wears the same clothes as the innocent, and fights for *their* beliefs, and *their* home territory.

...How many have to die?

Don't we have *ENOUGH* things to worry about at *HOME* like properly educating our kids, making sure everyone, of every ethnicity and background has equal opportunities, worrying about our resources, etc?

DID WE GO BACK TO THE '60s (minus the popular will to change and civil rights movents?!)

Sorry. I'll get off the soapbox now. I have a date with Jimi, Janis, Jim.

[salsabike]

I have a date with Jimi, Janis, Jim.

I saw each of them in concert. In case anyone needed to know that.

I agree with everything you all have said about 9/11 and its aftermath. Arggh. VERY frustrating. Sometimes I think they dropped me off on the wrong planet.

[Nanci]

Here he is in his pic I sent to a couple snake forums to get an official ID:

(Cali King, Coastal Phase, Aberrant Pattern)

[betagirl]

I agree with what everyone is saying. I think it's pretty amazing how divided this country has become in its opinions. It does seem that the heyday of W is coming to an end. I'm really interested to see what happens in the November elections.

As for the bit about the French and "freedom fries" and other snobbery toward foreign countries. I chalk that up to ignorance from people who've never left our borders. I've been to France 4 times and the only rude person I've ever met was in the post office, and they're just as b*tchy here a lot of the time

[betagirl]

Oooo, beautiful snake.

What are you doing up Nanci? I thought I'd be the only one floating around here

[Lise]

He's so little, Nanci!

Beta--I thought the same of you, when I saw the time of your post, "What is she doing up at this hour?"

I'm up because my hips hurt and I'm hungry. I've had a bowl of cereal, two Tylenol, and have resolved to schedule a massage once the rest of the world gets up.

I found French people behind counters (selling me a "telecarte", train ticket, cup of coffee) to be really snippy. Maybe it was my one-year-of-high-school-French that so annoyed them. But my cousin's married to a French guy, and all of his friends and family were lovely.

Come to think of it, there was a lady in a pharmacy in Paris who was a sweetheart. I was having a terrible period and had forgotten to bring any Motrin. I looked up some words in the dictionery and found a pharmacy. I stumbled through, "I have bad period pains". This little older lady asked me a couple of questions that I was able to understand and answer, and came back with a box of small white pills. They were wonderful, most effective. Of course I later read the box and figured out that they were codeine! Yup, OTC narcotics. Good stuff.

[mimitabby]

some guy at work today emailed me this link...
It's certainly interesting.
I agree with everyone, how it's sad that the whole world looked to America and offered their support, and we basically turned up our noses at them, then went so far as to have lots of Americans talk **** about the French because they weren't supporting us in the ways we wanted. (Maybe this was different elsewhere, but such was the case in WI)

It's going to be our generation's "Grassy Knoll" with the "magic bullet" that passed through Kennedy's skull/throat and a Secret Service agent's shoulder. No one will ever be able to know what exactly happened that day, but everyone will have theories, conspiracies and doubts. What we do know is that many people died in that building that day, and many more are dying and will die given our reactions.

It makes me sick to think that people are so easily lead, rights so quickly shed and violence so readily endured and prolonged. Didn't we learn anything from sending our sons/children/husbands (or in our generation, fathers or uncles we never got to know) to Vietnam? The enemy wears the same clothes as the innocent, and fights for *their* beliefs, and *their* home territory.

...How many have to die?

Don't we have *ENOUGH* things to worry about at *HOME* like properly educating our kids, making sure everyone, of every ethnicity and background has equal opportunities, worrying about our resources, etc?

DID WE GO BACK TO THE '60s (minus the popular will to change and civil rights movents?!)

Sorry. I'll get off the soapbox now. I have a date with Jimi, Janis, Jim.

GREAT POST!

[margo49]

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DID WE GO BACK TO THE '60s (minus the popular will to change and civil rights movents?!)

Sorry. I'll get off the soapbox now. I have a date with Jimi, Janis, Jim.

You know, I think that kitsune is lying about her age.
She is really One of Us from the "over 50" thread a while back!
I have been noticing clues in her posts for a while now.
Even tho' she didn't mention Bob and Joan in her list , she knows stuff only a woman of the 60's/70's would know.
Or maybe she fell thru a (un-darned) hole in the fabric of the space/time continuum.

The plot thickens...

[Lise]

Even tho' she didn't mention Bob and Joan in her list , she knows stuff only a woman of the 60's/70's would know.

One of my favorite "old boyfriend songs" is Diamonds and Rust, by Joan, about Bob.

"Well I'll be damned,
here comes your ghost again.
But that's not unusual,
it's just that the moon is full,
and you happened to call..."

I recently downloaded it. That woman can write and sing.

[snapdragen]

Nanci - your new baby is so tiny! He looks like a little striped bracelet! Does Maizey swim too?

Margo, you may be right about Kitsune.....

Lise - yay for OTC narcotics! I could use some about now, I have a pounder of a headache. I'm starting to connect them to "spare the air" days, when the air outside is so bad they encourage everyone to drive less, not use gas mowers etc.

[Kitsune06]

You know, I think that kitsune is lying about her age.
She is really One of Us from the "over 50" thread a while back!
I have been noticing clues in her posts for a while now.
Even tho' she didn't mention Bob and Joan in her list , she knows stuff only a woman of the 60's/70's would know.
Or maybe she fell thru a (un-darned) hole in the fabric of the space/time continuum.

The plot thickens...

Uh-huh. I'm voting on the space/time continuum idea, but on this forum, I think only Chickwhorips knows for sure (even then not so sure-forsure) and a lady doesn't really tell her age, anyway.
I didn't add Bob because I was going on my j-thing, and honestly, Baez (sp?) somehow didn't 'do it' for me... ...and I've always worshiped Janis. What a voice. She couldn't grow old- it wasn't her way, anyway.

The Times, They are a' Changin'... but they're still pretty much the same?

Knotted- it won't be long now, but don't freak out watching it, it'll take so much longer if you do!