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mimitabby: i've had the saddle for probably almost 2 months now. it is just decent on short rides of less than 30-40 miles. i have ridden it for rides of 60+, including an 82 mile training ride. that ride had the same issues although i didn't actually get a sore, but my butt was really bruised. there is still some discomfort with the girly bits too.

i didn't bring it too work with me, but will do that tomorrow and see if Perf will exchange. i don't know for what, but if i don't exchange, maybe just get my $ back.

knottedyet: comparison is good. it may have been with the butterfly that i had chafing problems as well. thanks for the information. i almost would like to try a brooks (or some other leather) saddle, but it just doesn't seem right to put that on a full carbon bike

xeney: i switched out the stock saddle on my trek pilot 5.0 because of girly pain issues and chafing to the butterfly. i don't know if i've got it back on in exactly the same place, but everything else feels ok as far as positioning. from what you are saying, though, it could be that i have it positioned too far forward?

i guess i could experiment with moving the saddle a little.

do men's saddles have more of a "T" shape than women's?