Well, I still haven't figured out my postion with her yet. I started level across the entire top, and felt too much pressure on my girly bits, so leveled just the nose half, which makes the whole saddle tilt down. It felt a tad better (but still pressure on my girly bits) but to test my stablity if I take my hands off the bars I slide foward (they are slippery suckers aren't they). I'd like to see how moving it further back feels, my butt seems to want to scoot further back, but the rails are relatively short. My carbon seatpost is pretty laid back, but I do have an aluminum one that is even more laid back I could try with. The distance from the back of the saddle to the bars is definitely shorter with the brooks than my butterfly. My KOPS looks OK, but it doesn't mean that I am sitting on the saddle correctly so the set back could still be wrong. I am also doing all this on my trainer cuz its raining outside, and getting late. At this point I am going to take a break and pick DH up at the airport. ANy ideas what to try next when I get back. What's weird is while it is hard it doesn't bother my sit bones at all (at least just sitting on it on the trainer) but it does bother my soft tissues, which is a bad sign I think PLEASE HELP!! I SO WANT THIS TO WORK!!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SO BEAUTIFUL, and her shape looks like she should work.