I recently changed my saddle from a really comfy gel seat to the one that came with my bicycle. It is a Bontrager something or other...men's saddle. I rode 30 miles today with my "so-so" bike shorts and I was a hurtin unit when I got home. I didn't know I could get so "ouchy" in that area. The interesting thing is that when I wear my good shorts (Pearl Izumi's) I don't have that problem. I will be purchasing more PI shorts! Does anyone have the padded "underwear" that you can wear under any shorts/pants? What do you think of them? I'm considering them for my winter riding.