Thanks for the info gapgoil,I will try clipless.I guess it's like a training tool, to get to the top.h-he. At least this way when I decide to try out for the Windsor rockets <www.rocket.on.ca>I won't have any worries about falling down. About using them.I also realised that it really helps when you push against the peddles using your arms,just before the jump it kind of transfers the wheelie energy to the backwheel much much better, Gotta ride. later Ge Ge