Even mediocre shorts would help, right?

I've found a couple of pair at REI -- one is their house brand, and the other is Canari. The chamois is nothing special, mostly a layer or two of fleece, I think, but they get me through a ride! Fabric is heavy enough so they're not see through, and if you're lucky, you'll find 'em on their summer clearance rack! I got mine for $20/pair.

We're starting to ride a bit longer now -- 30+ miles on weekends, and on the last one, I found myself thinking that maybe these shorts aren't designed for rides that long, so I might be hunting for something nicer for "long hauls" one of these days.

I know what you mean, though, about the waist too low -- Dad calls it "dunlaps disease" when the waist done laps over the belt. My frustration is that when the waistband is in the wrong place, the front rolls down, and all the padding in the world doesn't help with THAT issue!

Karen in Boise