Another note on the Hincapie Power shorts: if you liked the old Castelli YPRO pad from a couple years ago, this pad is exactly the same size and shape except the v-cut at the back isn't quite as deep. The chamois is just a tad thicker but doesn't seem stiff. The short fabric appears to be the same as the Castelli YPRO short. I'm expecting great things. Wonder if they come in red . . . .