This looks bad for Floyd.......

[alpinerabbit]

I'm still waiting to see what not only Landis, but also Ulrich and Basso, come forth with to counter these accusations.

Absolutely not only Floyd.

If Ivan and Jan had any way to prove they never associated with Fuentes, they would have come forward a long time ago... With a DNA sample to prove none of the blood bags are theirs. Just stick a Q-tip in your mouth, there you go.

I am pretty sure that beautiful Ivan (my favorite)'s career is OVER. Ullrich too - he is too old to survive a 2 year suspension. (They are talking about making it 4 years)

See, no anti-American feelings. They get caught, too bad for them, bye bye.

[alpinerabbit]

Translation:

"Of course my list is shorter: it contains only those who are NOTeligible."

#1 says "doping idiot 2006"

[crazycanuck]

I have to say i agree with Alpinerabbit-I was waiting for someone overseas to pipe up & say something before i jumped in....

(I understand what you're on about-Trying being Canadian where everyone reminds you about Ben Johnson )

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[tulip]

I'm with alpinerabbit, too. Floyd was a big hit during the Tour, in Europe (even in France, <GASP>!)

I don't understand all the science; I doubt that many of us do. I also don't understand why some folks assume that the testing must be flawed just because it's carried out in Europe (where the Tour takes place, remember?)

[mimitabby]

i don't think that anyone is presuming that the test is faulty because it was done in Europe; many of us related stories about bad lab tests done
in the US of A.

[Kalidurga]

I also don't understand why some folks assume that the testing must be flawed just because it's carried out in Europe

I can't speak for others but, personally, my problem is with the specific lab, not the country in which that lab is located. I cannot understand why they continue to have tests carried out in the lab that has ties to L'Equipe. This lab has leaked information to the press before (the Lance hoopla), and it was concern for that happening again that led the UCI and Phonak to make this public before the B test was processed.

If Ivan and Jan had any way to prove they never associated with Fuentes, they would have come forward a long time ago... With a DNA sample to prove none of the blood bags are theirs. Just stick a Q-tip in your mouth, there you go.

Yeah, this bothers me, too. Though it also bothers me that halfway through the tour, the Spanish police had still not given any documentation of their findings to Ulrich's lawyers. The issue in their cases wasn't blood samples, it was Fuentes' hand-written and coded notes that seemed to implicate them. I haven't seen anymore news reports on this. Does anyone know whether Ivan or Jan have gotten full disclosure of the documentation to be able to put together a defense?

If and when Floyd's B test comes back positive, I truly hope that he'll be allowed the opportunity to try and prove that whatever imbalance there might be is naturally ocurring. I also hope that whatever defense any of these cyclists puts together won't turn into the circus that Tyler Hamilton's did.

[RoadRaven]

Oh come on peoples...

What happened to innocent til proven guilty
Floyds performance and motivation to win is possibly a huge part of this... he had been training to win for ten years, and this may have been his only shot at it.

As someone pointed out in another thread, levels of testosterone rise in people just WATCHING a sport in telly!


The same day the above article was posted, this one was too.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...terone_testing
It seems much more impartial and definately more factual. It is written by a cycling news doctor - not by a reporter seeking to sell newspapers.
Heres a key paragraph:

This is because the form of the hormone that is available for exogenous administration is chemically identical to what is produced naturally in the body. Only a small fraction (about one percent) of the testosterone produced every day is excreted in the urine. Blood and urine levels increase after taking testosterone. But because the half-life of testosterone is very short, about one hour, blood and urine levels return to normal very quickly. Thus, measuring testosterone levels in urine is not an effective means of detecting steroid abuse.

Please note the bit that says that artificial and natural testosterone are virtually identical.

Now if it was blood doping, or EPO or something like that - well, yes, I would be doubting.
But this is not, its a question mark on a dubious test that has possible natural explainations ... and it has not been verified yet.

And again - another question, WTF would Lance step into the breach BIG TIME unless he was sure - he has too much to lose for himself, his fan base and LIVESTRONG.

Lets stop being so negative - surely you would all want a trial by jury too - not this media spew that is happening... tainting everybody with bile?

[mimitabby]

RoadRaven
what did Lance say about this?

the test to check the carbon isotope in the testosterone takes 2 weeks..
so they do not have the answer to that one yet, right?