This discussion makes me really thankful Ellie chose and pays for Kaiser Permanente coverage (a non-profit) for all employees and families. I have a $20 copay for both prescriptions and each office visit as needed even specialists. $0 for preventive services. I do what’s needed to stay healthy and fit so I don’t use it much but a couple of other employees and their families do need it and are very thankful for having it. Ellie knows it also makes for less stressed and more productive employees and feels it's a good investment in her employees.

Since California set up its own ACA exchange, prices for that are also lower here than the states that for political reasons didn’t.

i've never understood the making an insurance profit off someone being ill.....universal health care ftw