Thank you. For sure I still want chamois inside. I agree with some sort of form fitting too. Not just those lycra if I can find something different/fun to wear.

I have so far 2 pairs, ordered another one that is in the mail which should arrive this week and they were not expensing and from Canada so easy to return if needed. I own a Louis Garneau and they are ok. The other pair is a Hincapie. OK but I find chamois too thick.

http://www.mec.ca/product/5031-805/p...shorts-womens/ . At $35 on sale is a bargain, if it fits nicely.

It is not that easy to find something you LOVE. The day I do, I think I'll buy in bulk to make sure I have for 10 years to come. hihi