13 hours is a pretty decent lotoja time, right, so why would you not want some training rides of a similar length? I would love to do this ride but I always think this needs to be a group thing and I can never find anyone who will do it LOL. Blokes a plenty full of bravado but they don't get in, i hear that women apply and women get in, so I have procrastinated. I remember talking to a woman who was doing 150 a week training and I thought that was really light, I often do that and I am training for nothing. Maybe next year. Quite a few girls from the shop ride I do did it last year but they didn't finish as a group. Are you who are in, riding alone? Citizen cat? Do you find co riders between now and the ride?