Weeellll, I just got them and have yet to wear them running or skiing. I've been wearing them today here in the house under some loose Lycra running pants (my fancy work clothes). Super comfy. They are warmer than Sugoi's compression running shorts (Jackie model?). I have historically had problems with the legs on shorts riding up but these haven't moved at all, even without leg grippers. The pair I have on are a size large which I would consider a tad loose in the thigh for use under formfitting tights, as opposed to pants. I think they'd roll up as I pulled on the tights. For comparison, I wear a medium in Sugoi's running tights and the medium in the skhoop shorts fits the same. I also bought a large because it was the only pair I could find at the time when we were having a cold spell. Of course, as soon as I bought them, a heat wave hit. However, the extra pair will give me a pair to wear during the week while sitting at my desk. You'd think we didn't believe in furnaces but I'd rather put on extra clothes than bake my sinuses.

As far as being seen in public, I think they'd be fine. The stitching is high contrast hot pink flat lock which can be a little long underwear-ish looking but today's bike shorts have contrast stitching also.

Yakkity-yakkity. Blah-blah-blah. Hope something in there helped you.

Oh yeah, for once I didn't notice the cold car seat when we went to coffee this morning.