I have a pair of Sugoi RS and I find them to be just okay. Things I don't like about them - the waistband digs into my waist too much which makes them uncomfortable. They have a drawstring, but I never use it because the waistband is uncomfortable enough without using the drawstring. After buying a newer version of the PI Symphony shorts with their wide, comfortable waistband...I will never again buy a pair of shorts that do not have either a wide or non-elastic waistband.