Becky........I thought I'd report back about the Ibex El Fito knickers I received from TE Saturday afternoon, juuussst in time for the cold front that moved in overnight. Wore them this morning for a 15-mile jaunt in high 30s, plus gusty winds. LOVE them! Comfortable, perfectly warm, great fit. I really like the 3/4 length, too! And the chamois is so comfortable that I 'forgot' about it during the whole ride---These will definitely be my #1 choice for winter riding, except in really frigid temps. Then I'll opt for the full-length Ibex tights that I nabbed last winter for a great price at a ski shop. The only downside to that pair is no chamois. But I probably wouldn't opt for a long ride in super-low temps anyway, so the lack of padding won't be an issue.