Quote Originally Posted by bounceswoosh
If you're responding to me ... look, the physiology thing may be true, but what's the point in thinking about it? I still believe that it's better to aim high. If a woman trains with the goal of making it to the men's Tour, I am certain she will perform better than a woman who trains with a "more achievable" goal. So what if she doesn't actually make it into the Tour?

And who knows, if women keep training like that, maybe one day there will be some women in the Tour. We've seen a few women in men's competitions recently, from golf to formula 1.
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Ok... I absolutely agree we should set goals and aim high and think f-them all, I can do this
But the point of thinking about it is that in the back of your head you should to be aware that male and female physiology is different...

I will continue to disagree when I see a comment saying maybe we'll see a woman in a "mans" tour because I have yet to be shown evidence that women can perform at that level - if anyone has examples, please share, because I would love for it to happen

Bounce - you use golf and formula 1 as examples
With all due respect, neither of these sports fall into the category of being limited by muscles - golf relies hugely on physics and maths - formula 1 is about reaction times...

Women can race with men at club levels - and thrash the pants off most of them.
But to get into elite races you have to manage qualifying times... and that tends to favour one gender.

I teach gender issues, I am a post-structuralist feminist, I desperately want us to be equal not equivalent, but biological facts are facts - unless we either tamper with them or until we evolve