Well, my legs are about average. I actually couldn't do the pee trick wearing my Louis Garneau "power" shorts, which have a very long leg and high compression lycra. You just hike that short leg up good and as high as it will go, then yank it front and rear to the middle! And be sure that you are in a pretty deep squat, even if you're doing it over a toilet. It took a while for me to get it right. Best practiced at the end of a ride the first times, in case you do get your shorts a bit wet. But this skill is extremely handy in certain situations! Tokie