Don't y'all love this website?! I'm getting soooo much good info. I did use the gel--actually it is more of a cream. It actually felt a little stingy on those more delicate parts so I wasn't sure it would do me any good. And possibly I was thinking about it too much. Or as julbee warned maybe the concentrations were too high. I rode 55 hard miles--plenty of climbs. I reapplied after my shower. When I got up the next day, I could have gotten on and ridden more without a twinge. (I couldn't because I was in a pretty stupid golf tournament.) Should I consider diluting the concentration somehow? The big test will be this week-end when I do Cycle OR Week-end--135 miles in 2 days. I'll keep everybody posted. I like spazzdog's idea of the saddle, but since my Pilot 5.0 is new, I just can't see investing in a new saddle just yet.....See you in Spandex!!!