Well you guys got to me! I ordered the loose tights,a kate shirt,a shak,and the ribbies tank from the Ibex sale. I actually don't expect to like the tights in the brown, but I can check the fit out with the free shipping. If I like them, I can get them in black here at TE. I have a really short inseam (27 or 28) so they may look wierd anyway hemmed up that short. By the way, did you guys see the leopard print smartwool socks here on TE? http://www.teamestrogen.com/products.asp?pID=30923 .... so cute! I ordered both colors. I'll let you know how the Ibex works out! Carol