I've decided to get a good bike that combines all that I want to do with it. Looking at the Rivendell website, the Rambouillet seems to be perfect. I don't want to race, mostly road but Katy trail and touring if I feel like it. My question is...are there any other bikes comparable to the Rambouillet? I'd like to take my time and compare and ride many bikes. The Waterford st bikes seem to be fairly close also. Any others I should take a look at? What I want is drop bars, relaxed geometry, tires that can go fairly large like the ruffy tuffys, but that I can also install fenders and racks.