Thanks for all the imput. I've been looking at several brands and I knew sugar knickers would be well liked. I want to spend under $50 and not have a chamois like a diaper either, but not too thin. The chamois in my regular shorts is fine, but my baggies the chamois is too big, aggravating. I may end up with knee warmers first. we'll see. But I also looked at perfomance and nashbar house brands, on sale for around $30- haven't decided yet. I'll keep looking. Thanks all. Jenn