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    Quote Originally Posted by Eden View Post
    Any molecular biologists out there? I was just thinking about the flow cytometry test and with the way it is done I was wondering if a high white count or the presence of antibiotics could yield a false positive. I have heard that Vinokurov's knee is infected.
    Show me a description of the test and I'll try and find out. I am a molecular biologist but have not seen articles on the method.

    Quote Originally Posted by zencentury View Post
    It is unimaginable how they can do this day after day. They did it in 1903 without doping, if a rider has any moral standards and a true love of the sport for sports sake they wouldn't do it. I just don't get it, they're not exactly making pro football salaries.
    a) in 1903 they already knew how to use alcohol, cocaine, even strychnine.

    b) because they are not making enough money in a couple years to retire for the rest of their lives, they are desperate for wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by zencentury View Post
    Originally Posted by HappyAnika
    I should add that I think Floyd was framed simply because he's an American.
    I posted something awhile back (and it ticked someone off) that said "I blame the French"
    I don't entirely blame the French on this one.
    Yeah it ticks me off too. Yes the lab screws up, others do too, but come effin' on.... JUST because he was an American? V is Kazakh, Chicken is danish, and Contador is spanish. So frame them all so a French guy can win....?

    Doping is in this sport like a cancer and it has been for the past 100 years.....



    Edit.

    I checked out the method.
    Briefly, the test uses a panel of antibodies against many (>10) red blood cell (RBC) antigens. When any of these antibodies reacts with the RBC antigens ..... the idea is that the presence of the RBC antigens varies in any population of humans and thus a homologous transfusion can be detected in a person receiving one unit of blood
    So the antibodies are specific for red blood cells. white blood cells due to infection would not skew the result and frankly, if his infection was that strong, he would not be winning time trials. Same for Antibiotics. They don't react with the antibodies in question.
    Could V claim chimaerism like Tyler H.? Apparently, one out of 8000 normal people and 8% of twins are chimeric. But this is something that every rider could have been tested for on his own free will after the H. case.
    Last edited by alpinerabbit; 07-25-2007 at 11:03 AM. Reason: method info
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