one other piece of advice -- I'm not sure which Terry chamois the T-Short plus has, but I recently bought a pair of Terry Bella shorts and I was a bit surprised at the bulk of the chamois when I tried the shorts on. However, I liked the fit enough to keep, and after the first wash the chamois is great. I've had this happen with PI chamois (never sure what the plural is? chamoii? ) too, stiff at first but soften up nicely after a few washes.