FWIW, I test rode an F4 last November and my reaction was, "Eh." I wasn't in pain or anything. I just wasn't going to spend that kind of money on a bike unless it blew me away and was significantly better than my steel Paramount. Well, I then rode an F3C and fell in love. Go figure. I test rode Orbeas and Scotts and some other bikes and I kept coming back to the F3C. It is an incredible bike and I am a very happy woman. I can't believe how well it climbs.

Alex