Thanks all.

I agree with you all. I think both bikes are good and I'll like them both. Which is probably the crux of my problem with deciding on which. They both have the ride qualities (lively, good road feeedback without road buzz, faaaast, zipeeee) I like but their personalities are just slightly different.

So.. from there you kinda have to break it down to the "little things" like components, the "right now" value and the potential upradeabbility.. don't you?

Speaking of.. does anyone know how "princess like" carbon is? Do you really have to baby it and all? Is it true that if you biff on it it's a goner? On the other hand, steel.. don't you have to worry bout rust and all?