embarassingly stupid question

[GLC1968]

So if I"m staying the the left- 2 gear, that's the middle ring? And some of those overlap with left 1 and 3- is that what you're saying Yelsel?

Yes - 2 on your left would be your middle ring. When you have a 2 on the left, you should be able to safely use all 7 gears on the right.


Also worth noting for the OP or anyone else shopping for a bike - when a new bike listing says a bike is a '9-speed' or '10-speed' it refers to the number of cogs on the back wheel. So if you see '30/42/52 9-speed', it means that you have three rings up front (small one with 30 teeth, middle one with 42 teeth and large one with 52 teeth) and 9 'rings' (or cogs) in the back giving you the total of 27 theoretical combinations.

[tulip]

Practice, practice, practice.

[SadieKate]

You experienced guys talk about rings. I only see "numbers on the handlebar".

How am I supposed to figure out which "ring" I'm in while shifting and not run into a tree or something while I"m twisted around trying to see what I'm shifting into?

How about standing in your driveway and pushing on the shifters to see which way the dérailleur moves and how the number indicator changes? Isn't that the best way to remember?

[VeloVT]

maybe put some electrical tape over the gear indicators for now so you get used to shifting based on feel and looking at the actual drivetrain, so you know more intimately what 2/5 means both in terms of your bike's mechanics and in terms of what that gear combination feels like.

I also found that getting a computer with cadence was a really helpful cue for shifting when I was starting out.

my major challenge was not so much learning what to shift when (oddly that seemed pretty intuitive to me), but wrapping my head around talking about it. it took me a good year to be able to talk about shifting down without getting confused, because downshifting in the rear cogs is actually accomplished by moving up the cogs, not down them, and vice versa. maybe I'm a bit of a freak though .

[Miranda]

Don't worry, OP, I can top any dumb question.

You experienced guys talk about rings. I only see "numbers on the handlebar".

How am I supposed to figure out which "ring" I'm in while shifting and not run into a tree or something while I"m twisted around trying to see what I'm shifting into?
I see "1,2,3" on the left and "1,2,3,4,5,6,7" on the right.

So if I"m staying the the left- 2 gear, that's the middle ring? And some of those overlap with left 1 and 3- is that what you're saying Yelsel?

On my first roadie I had a Shimano Flight Deck cycle computer. It has a gear indicator once programed. The display on the pc shows a tiny pic of the rings based on size (large rings up front in the crank set w/pedals & small rings clustered together in the back on the cassette)... in oval shaped icons. When you shift, the gear indicator shows that--thus you don't need to look backwards or down at the crankset / cassette rings to see. Not sure which component group your bici has. But, FWIW.

Oh... and btw, when I first started riding, reading this forum was so helpful... but sometimes made my head feel like it was going to explode (w/all the info to process) ...and sometimes it still does.

[Yelsel]

Don't worry, OP, I can top any dumb question.

You experienced guys talk about rings. I only see "numbers on the handlebar".

How am I supposed to figure out which "ring" I'm in while shifting and not run into a tree or something while I"m twisted around trying to see what I'm shifting into?

I see "1,2,3" on the left and "1,2,3,4,5,6,7" on the right.

So if I"m staying the the left- 2 gear, that's the middle ring? And some of those overlap with left 1 and 3- is that what you're saying Yelsel?

I wrote a post for this, I guess it disappeared?

The numbers make it easy to remember. "1x1" is the easiest gear, which you use to climb the steepest hills; "3x7" is the hardest gear / used for downhills. So lower numbers = easier to pedal.

You can stay in the 2 (middle) chainring, and use all 1-7 cogs. Then you probably have about 3 unique higher gears, 3x5, 3x6, and 3x7. This is big chainring / small cog. And you will use the ~3 unique gears on the low end, 1x3, 1x2, 1x1; the small chainring / large cogs.

With a double, you overlap about one-third to nearly half the gears between the two chainrings, depending on setup. So you need to decide whether to shift between rings near the middle of the cogset, or whether to stay in one chainring, use all the cogs, then jump halfway up the large cog to continue in higher gears (or halfway down the smaller cog to continue in lower gears).

You need to be turning the pedals to shift gears; but the lighter you pedal, the less wear you put on the chains and cogs. This means shifting down before you absolutely need to on a hill... and trying to "soft pedal" a stroke without much pressure while shifting. This is in theory, I'm not suave enough to do a soft pedal yet!

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The first bicycles had the crankshaft on the front tire. Every revolution of the pedals moved the bike one (front) tire diameter. This is why the "highboys" were developed -- the bikes with the huge front wheel and tiny back wheel -- you needed a front wheel with a huge diameter if you wanted to move fast. Needless to say, these were generally only used by racontuering young men for racing, and were not generally appreciated by the rest of the traveling public.

The invention of the safety (modern) bicycle with chainrings and cogs changed that. With one pedal revolution, the bike moves forward the ratio of the diameter of the front chainwheel divided by the back cog. So a small chainwheel divided by a large cog means you move forward a little bit for one pedal revolution -- good for climbing uphill. And a large chainwheel divided by a small cog means that the bike moves forward a lot with one pedal revolution -- good for going fast on the flats and for going downhill.

The invention of the safety bicycle made traveling long distances easily available to the urban public. In particular it gave women access to more freedom... traveling farther, the invention of bloomers, and part of the spark for the suffragette and women's vote movements. Not to mention, the start of the US highway system, which was started for bike travel (commerce was primarily through trains).

Anyway, you can play with the chainring / cog ratios on Sheldon Brown's site. The gear inches are a direct division of the chainring diameter by the cog diameter. The gain ratio scales this by the length of the cranks -- otherwise you need to take into account the diameter of the pedal revolution given by the crank radius. You can also use different cadences to figure out the speed you will attain on flat ground using different gears. If you don't have a cadence meter, you can aim for a particular speed in a gear on the flats, and know you are reaching the cadence you are aiming for.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/
You should be able to look up your bike specs online and put in your current chainset and cog setup.

I am a real dork -- I *love* playing with the gearing thing. I'm trying to figure out whether I want lower gears on my 1x9 commuter -- right now 11/26 cogs -- and this is so fun to play with. I might just put a 12/30 on just because it would be fun to figure out how to change out the derailleur.

[Aquila]

Congrats on your lovely new bike, too!

[staceysue]

Wow - you all are awesome. I can't believe how helpful you are - and the lack of flaming is amazing.

So let me get this straight . . . the shifter on the left is the rings and the shifter on the right is cogs? If I'm on the middle ring and the lowest cog, and it's still too hard to pedal uphill, I can go ahead and shift down to the lowest ring . . . no, wait, that would have me on low cog and low ring and that's a no-no . . . .

So if I'm going uphill on the middle ring and lowest cog and it's still too hard to pedal, what do I do?

Wouldn't think this would be rocket science, but holy cow

[staceysue]

OH! I think I get it! I just read the link by jusdooit - it's very helpful and simple for a noob like me.

Let's see if I have this right - I could just leave the cogs in the middle range and shift between the rings all I wanted. That would make big changes and be kind of like it is now when I switch between the 3 gears I have on my 3-speed beach cruiser. If I was down in the lowest ring and it was still too hard to pedal up a hill, then I could start going down on my cogs. Or, if I was up in the highest ring and still spinning out going downhill, I could go head and start moving up on my cogs. What I don't want to do is get all the way down to the lowest cog before I switch down to a lower ring, or up all the way to the highest cog before I switch to a higher ring because then that would make the chain crooked and the bike wouldn't ride smoothly.

The cogs are for subtle changes and the rings are for big changes.

Right?

[SadieKate]

Just think of it this way - the closer the chain is to you and the bike, the easier it will be to climb a hill. The farther away, the harder.

[SadieKate]

The cogs are for subtle changes and the rings are for big changes.

Right?

Yes.

[maillotpois]

Just think of it this way - the closer the chain is to you and the bike, the easier it will be to climb a hill. The farther away, the harder.

This is inexplicable but I now have Barry Manilow's "Close to You" running through my head. I should go over to that other thread.


Why do birds suddenly appear
Every time you are near?
Just like me, they long to be
Close to you

[SadieKate]

This is inexplicable but I now have Barry Manilow's "Close to You" running through my head. I should go over to that other thread. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

Oompa loompa . . .

There. All better?

[Kalidurga]

Wow - you all are awesome. I can't believe how helpful you are - and the lack of flaming is amazing.

Honestly (and I'm sure this will offend some folks here, so I apologize to everyone in advance), I think questions of this nature are very sensible compared to all the threads about things like "does my bar tape need to match my saddle?" and such. There are a lot of knowledgeable riders here who are very generous with sharing info. They probably didn't know anymore than you do now when they began riding, and likely learned by asking similar questions.

[SadieKate]

Honestly (and I'm sure this will offend some folks here, so I apologize to everyone in advance), I think questions of this nature are very sensible compared to all the threads about things like "does my bar tape need to match my saddle?" and such.

Are my socks too short? Do they make my butt look fat?*

*You have to know Bubba, my DH, who can outwhine aka_kim, the Chief Whiner.