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  1. #16
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    CC:

    Being a little nervous is okay. It helps you to stay alert, and it's simply Nature's way of reminding you that you may not have enough experience at this (yet) to feel fully confident. Ride where you feel comfortable, and as you gain confidence (and skill!) you can work your way up to more complex situations. I know it sounds a lot like a cliche, but a lot really is "getting used to it."

    A good video that I use in nearly all my adult classes is one called "A Cyclist's Eye View," distributed by the League of American Bicyclists. It's available on YouTube:

    ABC Quick Check:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VziOIkNXsE

    A Cyclist’s Eye View:
    Part 1. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjCza5e1kw
    Part 2. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIr3mI96FZk
    Part 3. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLu0DHPeYm8

    You might also want to check out one of the League's Traffic Skills classes, and see if one is available in your community. These include not just lectures on traffic rules, road hazards, and how to fix flats, but also several hours of supervised, coached riding in the typical traffic in your community.

    Tom

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    Thanks, Tom. I'm going to watch the videos today. There is a Traffic Skills class available towards the middle of this month, and I'm hoping to attend it as well. You're right, I'm going to need to gain more skill and confidence and try and get used to it.

    I'm definitely buying a mirror today, too.

  3. #18
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    Thanks for providing those videos, Tom. I watched them, too.

    CCbloom, I hope you don't mind me posting a question in your thread. It's about the same subject and maybe the answers will address some of your questions.

    If I want to go further than 10 miles, I have to get on our busy highway. It's a 2-lane highway with smooth, wide shoulders and a large # of big logging trucks. Speed averages about 65mph. The shoulders disappear as the highway slows down for about a mile through a very small town, and then reappear on the other side of town. The logging trucks create a lot of wind - enough that I might fall if I wasn't prepared.

    I've been riding on the shoulder going the opposite direction from the traffic, so that I can see the drivers and make sure they've seen me - and also so I can see if it's a logging truck or not and be prepared to keep my balance. When the shoulders disappear through town, I just continue slowly on the sidewalks (watching out for pedestrians).

    A few miles after town, I get off onto the old highway, which is slower (avg 55mph) but very curvy and doesn't have a shoulder. I ride in the right hand lane, but switch lanes on the very sharp curves so that I remain visible to traffic coming toward. I'm afraid if I stayed in the lane where they couldn't see until they were right up on me, I'd get hit.

    Am I doing it right?

  4. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by staceysue View Post
    I've been riding on the shoulder going the opposite direction from the traffic, so that I can see the drivers and make sure they've seen me - and also so I can see if it's a logging truck or not and be prepared to keep my balance. When the shoulders disappear through town, I just continue slowly on the sidewalks (watching out for pedestrians).

    A few miles after town, I get off onto the old highway, which is slower (avg 55mph) but very curvy and doesn't have a shoulder. I ride in the right hand lane, but switch lanes on the very sharp curves so that I remain visible to traffic coming toward. I'm afraid if I stayed in the lane where they couldn't see until they were right up on me, I'd get hit.

    Am I doing it right?
    NO NO NO!!

    Ride in the direction you are going!!! Always. Please! Riding going opposite traffic is unsafe on so many levels: Cars expect bikes to go with traffic, you can disrupt bikes going in the correct direction and pose a danger to any cyclists who are doing what they should be doing.

    I can't even imagine switching lanes mid curve That requires you to cross the road - with cars possibly coming up behind you.

    Please ride on the RIGHT side of the road (assuming you aren't in the UK) - as far to the right as it is safe to be.

    Sidewalks are not meant for bikes, but it's a heck of a lot safer than riding on the wrong side of the road.
    Sarah

    When it's easy, ride hard; when it's hard, ride easy.


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  5. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by maillotpois View Post
    NO NO NO!!

    Ride in the direction you are going!!! Always. Please! Riding going opposite traffic is unsafe on so many levels: Cars expect bikes to go with traffic, you can disrupt bikes going in the correct direction and pose a danger to any cyclists who are doing what they should be doing.

    I can't even imagine switching lanes mid curve That requires you to cross the road - with cars possibly coming up behind you.

    Please ride on the RIGHT side of the road (assuming you aren't in the UK) - as far to the right as it is safe to be.

    Sidewalks are not meant for bikes, but it's a heck of a lot safer than riding on the wrong side of the road.
    OK - but - I live in the boonies! The highway is just going through to get from point A to point B. The only other bikes that ever come through here are people touring for hundreds of miles, and they're very far and few between. The last thing a vehicle here would expect to see is a bicycle. They totally don't expect it.

    The curvy road is used by a lot of rednecks who love taking the curves fast, for fun. These aren't your run-of-the-mill normal rational city drivers . . .if they don't see me, they're just going to keep accelerating and hooting and hollering, throwing beer cans and having fun! Don't want to get hit on the head with a beer can! ROFLOL

    I need that blushing smiley again.

  6. #21
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    I'm just worried from a safety perspective. You don't need a blushing smiley - I just don't want you needing a banged up smiley.

    Even on roads in the middle of nowhere it is still safer to be on the right side of the road going with traffic. Be as visible as you can clothing-wise, but stay to the right.
    Sarah

    When it's easy, ride hard; when it's hard, ride easy.


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    2011 Mercian Vincitore Special
    2003 Eddy Merckx Team SC - stolen
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    I witnessed what could have been a serious accident this morning because a cyclist was riding on the left side of the road - in Washington, DC. Fortunately, it was before 7 a.m. so there weren't many vehicles on the road. I was getting ready to pass a cyclist and I noticed that he was slowing and swerving a little. It was because the cyclist that was riding on the left was coming straight at him! Fortunately (again), they were both riding fairly slow but there was a ton of confusion going on. They were trying to avoid hitting each other so they both started going left, right, left, ride, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by maillotpois View Post
    NO NO NO!!

    Ride in the direction you are going!!! Always. Please! Riding going opposite traffic is unsafe on so many levels: Cars expect bikes to go with traffic, you can disrupt bikes going in the correct direction and pose a danger to any cyclists who are doing what they should be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staceysue View Post
    OK - but - I live in the boonies! The highway is just going through to get from point A to point B. The only other bikes that ever come through here are people touring for hundreds of miles, and they're very far and few between. The last thing a vehicle here would expect to see is a bicycle. They totally don't expect it.

    The curvy road is used by a lot of rednecks who love taking the curves fast, for fun. These aren't your run-of-the-mill normal rational city drivers . . .if they don't see me, they're just going to keep accelerating and hooting and hollering, throwing beer cans and having fun! Don't want to get hit on the head with a beer can! ROFLOL

    I need that blushing smiley again.
    Boonies or not, you are MUCH safer riding with traffic. If a particular road is curvy or unsafe, then don't use it any more than you have to, but riding against traffic is not the answer to that problem. Riding against traffic is also often against the law.

    The best thing you can do a cyclist--regardless of how expected or unexpected you think you are to drivers--is to (1) make yourself as visible as possible, (2) ride predictably and defensibly, (3) signal your intentions by the appropriate hand and arm signals and otherwise follow the rules of the road, and (4) be keenly aware of your surroundings. If you do that, more likely than not, cars WILL see you--whether they expect to see you or not. Yes, there is always the chance that someone won't or will harass you. Cycling is not without its risks, but to be honest, most of us ride on a regular basis without too much trouble in all sorts of environments. You just have to use your head and ride smart.

    I ride in the boonies a lot, and I've had few problems, so I think you need to put aside the fear that cars just won't know how to treat you. They'll likely treat you like any other slower moving vehicle that they either have to slow down for or pass.
    Live with intention. Walk to the edge. Listen hard. Practice wellness. Play with abandon. Laugh. Choose with no regret. Continue to learn. Appreciate your friends. Do what you love. Live as if this is all there is.

    --Mary Anne Radmacher

  9. #24
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    Thanks, everybody. I will stay on the right side and avoid the curvy road. Sorry, ccbloom, for temporarily hijacking your thread!

  10. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by staceysue View Post
    OK - but - I live in the boonies! The highway is just going through to get from point A to point B. The only other bikes that ever come through here are people touring for hundreds of miles, and they're very far and few between. The last thing a vehicle here would expect to see is a bicycle. They totally don't expect it.

    The curvy road is used by a lot of rednecks who love taking the curves fast, for fun. These aren't your run-of-the-mill normal rational city drivers . . .if they don't see me, they're just going to keep accelerating and hooting and hollering, throwing beer cans and having fun! Don't want to get hit on the head with a beer can! ROFLOL

    I need that blushing smiley again.
    No. Do NOT ride on the side against traffic- you are going to cause a serious accident one day if you do that. It does not make you any more likely to be seen or safer. It makes it MORE DANGEROUS. And most often it's illegal as well. Please, stop doing this. Ride with the direction of traffic. You ARE traffic, you are NOT a pedestrian.
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  11. #26
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    If you really want to be seen, here is a good website for high-visibility safety clothing. When I commuted to work, I wore the t-shirts. They are extremely visible (and relatively inexpensive)

    www.alertshirts.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    If you really want to be seen, here is a good website for high-visibility safety clothing. When I commuted to work, I wore the t-shirts. They are extremely visible (and relatively inexpensive)

    www.alertshirts.com
    Is this the right link?

  13. #28
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    Whoops...it's singular.

    www.alertshirt.com

    that's better.

  14. #29
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    I know how you feel - traffic scares the crap out of me and I will probably never ride in "normal" traffic. I feel safer riding in the dark. It sounds nuts, but in the early morning (I head out at 5am) there is FAR less traffic and you can see and hear cars coming long before they are up on you because of the quiet and because of their headlights/my rearview mirror. I have firefly lights on my camelback and my wheel spokes, as well as nice bright headlights/tail lights. Cars give me wide berth because they see me early. It's a win win - try it!
    Amy

    Kickin' it old school on my Huffy, but hey, I RIDE!

  15. #30
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    visibility option use a strobe rear light, even in day

    another option for the curvy section:

    I did a test commute last month (16 mi one way) and one stretch was through a curvy section of road, no shoulder. It seemed like cars were passing awfully close or maybe they did not see me until they were closer. It was daylight and clear.

    So.... I stopped on a side street and turned on my rear light in strobe mode (it's a DiNotte) and what do you know, cars passed more courteously and slowly.

    So you could try a good strobe light when you are on more dangerous sections of rode.

 

 

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