Rivendell magic?

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by xeney

The bike could also just be old and out of date, in spite of the mileage. This one is listed at $900, and the auction ends in less than 8 hours, and no bids.

No bids until the last few minutes of the auction is quite common. Let's see what it sells for. It does need a few new parts due to wear, and it's got a few scratches, but the bike itself is certainly not old or out of date...Rivendell's only been making bikes for about 12 years! And I don't think they've changed much about the Atlantis during those years. There are no out of date Atlantises yet- just well loved ones that might need new parts.

**xeney** · 03-06-2007, 01:08 PM

Well, that's what I meant. "New parts" can cost a fortune.

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 02:20 PM

Yes, new parts are expensive for most bikes. Often half the cost of a bike IS parts, and the other half is the plain frame. or vice versa

So one must certainly be aware of that when buying frames alone, or when comp[aring built up bikes with frames.

**mimitabby** · 03-06-2007, 03:27 PM

That bike's been around the block. At least the seller is being more upfront than the person who sold me my Bianchi on ebay. I found out after I got it about the wheels out of round and the worn out hub.

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by mimitabby

That bike's been around the block.

Well, an Atlantis can go around a HELL of a lot of blocks before it's ready for the junk heap!

**SadieKate** · 03-06-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.

Lots of people "Rivendellize" their bikes by putting Brooks saddles, cork tape, Baggins saddlebags, fenders(if they will fit) and trying to raise their handlebars. But these can't really make it feel just like a Riv because they lack the relaxed geometry, have different proportions and angles, and maybe aren't lugged steel, etc. But nothing wrong in improving the looks of any bike anyway!

Rivendellize? Grant Peterson merely took the audax and touring style bikes popular back in 60/70/80s and tried to make a quality production bike for the American market. For awhile, he was able to push his passion for this style bike through the financing and production of Bridgestone. There was an era in the US when this style bike lost popularity and he started Rivendell with both its production and custom frames. Yes, Peterson has been the leading US proponent of the touring bike with an upright position and ability to carry lots of stuff, but it isn't a new or unique idea. Rivendells are simply his twist on this niche for the US bicycle market. Look at the UK and Europe. These style bikes have always been available and those of us in the know bought them - Mercian and Bob Jackson to name a few brands. In the US, Trek made some fabulous production touring bikes. Feel free to wax eloquent about Rivendell because you like the bikes (and they are pretty), but don't think Grant invented this style bike or that other builders don't build frames of equal quality. Against many odds, Grant kept the passion alive in the US and is now seeing a resurgence in lugged steel frames in the US. I'll definitely give him kudos for that, but Rivendellize?

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by SadieKate

Rivendellize? ... Feel free to wax eloquent about Rivendell because you like the bikes (and they are pretty), but don't think Grant invented this style bike or that other builders don't build frames of equal quality. Against many odds, Grant kept the passion alive in the US and is now seeing a resurgence in lugged steel frames in the US. I'll definitely give him kudos for that, but Rivendellize?

Hey you're barking up the wrong tree, girl- I didn't invent the term "Rivendellize"... you should hear some of the ridiculous roadie guys on other forums talking about "Rivendellizing" their Treks by putting Brooks saddles, and cork tape with shellac, and Baggins banana bags, panniers, etc. The whole idea is totally silly and ridiculous. And Grant would be the FIRST to say he didn't "invent" any of this- he always says how he merely likes to make bikes like the old European steel touring/pleasure/errand bikes, with lugs and fatter tires, 650B tires, relaxed geometry, more upright riding position, made to carry touring packs, etc. He always talks about how he likes the way things were well made and designed back then, not how he "invented" anything. And yes, there are plenty of other wonderful builders around today- and a good thing too!

DH and I went into a fairly big bike store the other day while driving about. I asked the owner if he has any steel bikes. He said "No, they don't make those much anymore- they're on the way out."

**mimitabby** · 03-06-2007, 05:17 PM

Sheesh, I had a brooks saddle before Rivendell started making bikes.
And I had a bike with fenders back then too!!!

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by mimitabby

Sheesh, I had a brooks saddle before Rivendell started making bikes.
And I had a bike with fenders back then too!!!

I know, and that's why the term "rivendellize" is so dumb. I think mostly I've heard young male roadies use it when they get bored with their bikes and want a new "look".

**SadieKate** · 03-06-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa S.H.

Hey you're barking up the wrong tree, girl- I didn't invent the term "Rivendellize"...

DH and I went into a fairly big bike store the other day while driving about. I asked the owner if he has any steel bikes. He said "No, they don't make those much anymore- they're on the way out."

Hey, then don't perpetuate it!

Funny thing, our LBS has starting carrying both Colnago and De Rosa -- because they make steel frames. Apparently there is a demand for Italian steel again. That De Rosa Neo Primata in red makes my heart sing. Thank goodness the frame in the shop is too large. Whew.

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by SadieKate

Hey, then don't perpetuate it!

Hey, then don't perpetuate it by talking about me perpetualating it!

**mimitabby** · 03-06-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by SadieKate

Hey, then don't perpetuate it!

Funny thing, our LBS has starting carrying both Colnago and De Rosa -- because they make steel frames. Apparently there is a demand for Italian steel again. That De Rosa Neo Primata in red makes my heart sing. Thank goodness the frame in the shop is too large. Whew.

MY LBS has Colnago too. Any DeRosas with Fender clearance? NO I didn't think so.

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 05:44 PM

So Mimi- I know you want fenders, but what width tires are you wanting to use?
Are you wanting to go on gravel roads too, or just paved road? Are you planning to do any racing? Any touring?

**SadieKate** · 03-06-2007, 05:47 PM

Yes, if you want to buy the cyclocross but it's not steel. You'd have to use clip on fenders but it will take wide tires.

Mimi, why are you set on Italian? Italy is known for its racing bikes not its touring bikes. I'm sure it has beautiful touring bikes but nothing any better than you can get from one of the many fabulous PNW builders. As a co-worker would say, don't buy a Ferrari to squish grapes.

I'd even consider going with an up and comer with incredible mentors and who is focused on us wimmenfolk - just to be on the cutting edge and have a bike built with the exact braze-ons and position you want.

http://www.sweetpeabicycles.com/blog/

And check it out, she's going to be on the radio tomorrow.
http://www.sweetpeabicycles.com/blog...boo-bike-show/

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 03-06-2007, 05:59 PM

I've been lusting after Vanilla bicycles (not that I'm going to get one). And Luna cycles are sweet too, as far as I've seen.

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