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  1. #1
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    AP stylebook on "hopefully"

    I must be getting old. I know language evolves and changes, but this one has always bothered me. Hopefully, some of you understand how I feel.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...c=nl_headlines

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    Nope---you're one of my favorite TE folks so I sympathize in general, but "hopefully" just doesn't bother me much, even though---or maybe because-- I've spent most of my life trying to make sure I don't say it I think split infinitives can sound better than non-split ones, too. But I appreciate the general "guardian of good language" approach.
    "My predominant feeling is one of gratitude. I have loved and been loved;I have been given much and I have given something in return...Above all, I have been a sentient being, a thinking animal, on this beautiful planet, and that in itself has been an enormous privilege and an adventure." O. Sacks

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    Um. I just read the article twice, and I can't see what "hopefully" is now accepted to mean.

    Am I growing old, or wasn't it there? Hopefully, the latter.

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    Relevant portion from the Post article:


    Then, on Tuesday morning, the venerated AP Stylebook publicly affirmed (via tweet, no less) what it had already told the American Copy Editors Society: It, too, had succumbed. “We now support the modern usage of hopefully,” the tweet said. “It is hoped, we hope.”

    “We batted this around, as we do a lot of things, and it just seemed like a logical thing to change,” says David Minthorn, the deputy standards editor of the Associated Press.

    Previously, the only accepted meaning was: “In a hopeful manner.” As in, “ ‘Surely you are joking,’ the grammarian said hopefully

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    There are a number of usages and grammatical mistakes that I find annoying, but "hopefully" and most other disjuncts are not among them. I use/arguably misuse them frequently. I've read a number of discussions over time, including this one, that indicate that the usage has been around a long time and hasn't always been as disfavored as it ultimately became. As you say, Pam, language evolves--for better or for worse. C'est la vie.
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    oh, I see. Since "as in" (it is hoped, we hope) was missing, that part of the tweet didn't make sense to me and my mind just blithely ignored it
    Winter riding is much less about badassery and much more about bundle-uppery. - malkin

    1995 Kona Cinder Cone commuterFrankenbike/Selle Italia SLR Lady Gel Flow
    2008 white Nakamura Summit Custom mtb/Terry Falcon X
    2000 Schwinn Fastback Comp road bike/Specialized Jett

 

 

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