Input on Gore shorts sizing and chamois?

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I'm starting to get annoyed with PI's apparently arbitrary sizing. I fit in medium in some shorts, large in others, and small in last year's Symphony Cut shorts...so I ordered 2 pair of this year's version, only to find that they are over an inch shorter and WAY smaller.

I'm eyeballing a pair of Gore Oxygen and Ozon shorts. They look similar to the PI Symphony Cut shorts that I love, only longer.

I normally wear a size 8/medium bottom, but Gore's sizing chart has me in a large. I'm also wondering how the chamois is placed. I have a dickens of a time finding a chamois that doesn't sit back to far and leave my sit bones on the front seam of the butt region of the chamois. So far PI and Craft have been the only brands I've tried that cover my sit bones properly.

Any experience...?

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Well...I do own a pair of the Ozon shorts. I think they're just okay. Haven't really worn them on a "long" ride (which for me is generally less than 40 miles) so I can't attest as to how they perform on a long haul. I like the non-waistband in the front of the shorts. I'm not too fond of the gripper on them...it feels really rubbery to me and I usually end up getting a minor rash after wearing them. I also wish they were a tad bit longer in length, but then I've always preferred a longer short, so you may actually like the length. As for the chamois...this is where I have a difficult time determining what really works for me. I have yet to find a chamois that I'm truly happy with, and the Ozon is no exception. For some reason, I really notice that it's there. Not sure if it's the thickness of the pad, or just the overall size...but it definitely doesn't feel like it "disappears" underneath me. I wish I could say that I "love it", but for now I just relegate this pair to shorter rides. However, I should add that it might also be my saddle (a Ruby 155) that is the culprit...I've been contemplating a saddle change.

Oh, and I also took a Large in the Gore shorts (normally wear medium in PI).

Linda

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However, I should add that it might also be my saddle (a Ruby 155) that is the culprit...I've been contemplating a saddle change.

Oh, and I also took a Large in the Gore shorts (normally wear medium in PI).

Linda

Ooh, good to know!

Yeah, I'm contemplating a saddle change, as well. But I'm considering the Ruby, as I suspect my Jett may be just a hair too soft.

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BTW, I got your Craft shorts shipped, today. I have a feeling you will like them. They are less bulky up-front than the PI 3D chamois in their Elite level shorts.

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I share Linda's opinion of the Ozon--almost word for word. I can wear them on short rides, but they generally just keep them in my drawer. Quality issues aside, I still prefer my Sugoi RS short.

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Hmmm...I'd love to try Sugoi, again, but their chamois just wasn't a good fit (or the placement of it, rather--I actually liked the chamois, itself) and they do those awful drawcord waistbands. I had a pair of Evolutions (actually, 2...old chamois and new) and ended up selling them here.