Mountain Bike Ethics question

[LBTC]

Hi, ladies!!

You folks are all so positive and encouring! I come back here often and read and sometimes post, because it keeps me from being sucked into the vortex of cycling politics in my town.

Lately, DH and I have been seeing the same signs of dischord and are sadly ill-equipped to help or change it. It's a long story, but it involves us both being blackballed in the cycling community, to the point of there being threats against our persons and our dogs (!!! those are our kids!!), and us, as a result, gaining lots of weight and wading through a 1 1/2 riding season depression.

When I see the vortex coming, I start trying to think of solutions. and quick!!

Okay, so what do I mean?

The incident that caused the aforementioned depression happened about 5 years ago. 2 employees of the bad LBS (and the only LBS at the time) (which was the shop whose owner was president of the newly formed bike club), went up a world-class single track climb and cut out 50 trees to make it a faster downhill.

We felt ballistic and made a lot of noise about how this was not a good thing to do. We had been coerced into being on the executive of the bike club, and regretted it as soon as we saw the damage. We were told to "shut the f*** up, nobody else is complaining, and it makes the trail more fun". We were accused of being the most negative thing in mountain biking in this town. Basically three guys had it in for us - the president, the treasurer, and a guy who isn't involved anymore....and then all of their little wannabe riders. It was ugly ugly ugly.

We recognized around then the other unethical things that were promoted by this shop and club. No trails here are legal, the Ministry of Forests had never been consulted before any trail construction. Many stunts are nailed to live trees, have had live trees cut down to create the stunt, are shabbily built of rotting material, etc. There are new trails built all the time, and many of these cross or connect to well established trails, some of them multi-user. There's a huge potential for injury if someone is barrelling down one trail while someone else is climbing up the other....and the damage this does to the pre-existing trail is heartbreaking. In this town, the riders who enjoy these particular trails never pedal uphill, and they have serious attitude, rudely mocking and sneering at those of us who ride up anything (f***ing wimps, etc) The bike shop owner and a local tour operator take locals and visitors to an ecologically sensitive canyon to poach rides on private property. (This year, they actually had a story about it in the newspaper before it happened so one of the ranchers called and let the LBS owner know that he and his ranch hands have guns and know how to use them. The gang of riders rode on the other other side of the river - on land owned by a different private owner.)

Worst of all, the group of riders who enjoy the type of riding we enjoy, that is going both ways: up *and* down, were intimidated by the way we had been treated and they all kind of disappeared so they wouldn't get blackballed too. ah, but that's just the nature of people, right?

We eventually decided we couldn't let them steal this from us, and we came back, deciding to ride hard. We both got stronger and faster and gradually redeveloped some of those riding friendships (although not quite as open and trusting) we'd had before. We got our fitness back and we both have become known in town as fast, skilled riders.

Last summer, the Ministry of Forests started removing unauthorized stunts that they had deemed too dangerous (as in built to so poor a standard, they were likely to fall apart under the weight of a rider). The LBS owner and club president spouted all sorts of ridiculous statements in the newspaper, saying the MOF had "gone full nazi" and that they never tried to contact the club.

Turns out the things he said were lies. The ministry had gone to great effort to contact the club, and had acted in a measured, responsible way. They didn't, as had been reported, shut down any trails, they only removed about a dozen stunts. And they encouraged the bikers to form a society to work with the Ministry to create tenures for the trails, which would afford the trails some protection from logging and other activities, and to adhere to a standard for the stunts, which may then allow new stunts and new trails to be built, once the old issues were dealt with.

Several bogus public meetings happened. Some politicians pushed to have our city put money into the club. They talked about an article in Decline magazine that brings publicity to our city as a destination riding location. That article was all about the rides on the private property in the ecologically sensitive canyon!

So a new club forms from the ashes. and, oh look, the president has been hushed and stepped aside....and the treasurer, the right hand man, the power hungry former boy scout leader, has risen to the top. we suspect he still takes his orders from the LBS owner. On the executive also are the adventure tour business owners that do nothing but shuttle, they have an interest in the stunts only, and have made it clear that they will not put anything back into the trails.

The new club has a trail maintenance day. They believe that trail maintenance is stunt building. They don't armour side hill, dig water bars, try to make single track single again, nothing like that. Other than stunt building, clearing blowdown debris is their only other type of trail maintenance.

There are new rogue trails this year, even. And the stunts continue to be of poor construction and illegally built - nailed to live trees, etc. They have cut more trees down on more trails to straighten the lines for higher downhill speed.

It is absolutely demoralizing. The people who had tried to be the voices of reason in the club have mostly all quit. No-one has the guts to say NO to these guys.

and the vortex calls.....

DH has even realized he loved doing the Test of Metal in Squamish because it was riding that wasn't *here*. There might be bulls**t there, too, but because we're from out of town, we didn't see it!

So, DH and I have talked about it some. He's also talked with other like-minded riders and they also see what is going on and don't know what to do (or aren't willing to...who can blame them?)

After much talk, his suggestion is this: on the latest rogue trail, a trail that joins up with an established trail, and has deteriorated it more in a few months than in 10 years of use, he's thinking of walking the new trails and spraypainting every stump bright orange.

I like that it would be something that at least some riders would see and wonder about. They might even stop and look. A few of those might ask why did they cut down trees? Even fewer might even get mad enough to say something to someone in the club. At the same time, it's not confrontational or aggressive, and it doesn't take anything away from their "trail"....if it did, they would be soooooo mad!

I'd love it if some of you would weigh in on this issue. Do you think we should paint the stumps? Do you have any other suggestions for saving us from the vortex? Currently I try to keep it from sucking me in mostly by reading all of your positive and encouraging posts. DH keeps it at bay by doing long solo road rides.

We'd really like to have mountain biking back....but don't know if we can do it.

Maybe we should take up golf.


Namaste,
~T~

[singletrackmind]

One of the parents around here spraypainted every rock and root and stump day-glo orange several years ago-I think they were trying to make the trail safer. Good intentions, but your eye focuses on that paint like no tomorrow so we were all HITTING the hazzards until we got used to ignoring the paint, then it was just really ugly (and really unnecessary) on the trail. Lots of flats and crashes for a while there. You can still see evidence of it but it's finally fading.

Man, I do NOT envy you your position though I have to say kudos for hanging onto what seems to be an unpopular but right one. It really sucks that it's probably a relatively small group of too-influential people that you're fighting the good fight against. Thank goodness trail maintenance around here is to preserve the singletrack as best as possible and build new (with permission). Of course mountains aren't us-who knows what would happen if we had access to incredible downhills? Too bad the trail-wreckers couldn't have an area of their own to wreck and leave the rest of the singletrack alone. A sort of sacrificial lamb to save the rest of the flock.

Well, I'm not telling you to or not to spraypaint. I'm not living your horror. I sure wish I had an answer for you. I'm mentally pushing bunches of best wishes your way!

[Irulan]

are you looking for answers or just venting? if you are just venting skip the following...

If you are looking for answers, I'd get IMBA Canada involved ( and your regional rep) , and push education, IMBA has a tremendous amount of material out there for the Freeride crowd now. Photos of how do things "Right" as compared to "wrong" have a whole lot of impact. See if you can get the Canadian Trail Care Crew to come through next summer. They are great- they will come to town for about 4 days, tour the area, meet with higher ups, do public seminars, combined with a public project that is visible.

There is no quick fix. Even if you have a journalist on your side, the people who need educating don't read the newspaper. Our local IMBA rep is a gem of a resource, he's been working with these issues for over 15 years and has a real understanding of how to work with land managers, and to educate people. Unfortunatley the education peice is a slow road.

I use photos a lot... here's a well built stunt, here is something cobbled together. Here is a well designed trail, here is an erosion night mare. Here is what has been done, here is what we will do.. you get the idea.

You've brought up your situation before. The hardest thing I think is when you realize it's becomeing a power game, and not an situation where the greater good is being focused on.


The problem with taking things into your own hands, is that essentially you are doing what they are.

Here, we've gotten very good cooperation with the powers that be... they go in and tear things down, as they have specfically stated they don't mind being the bad guys, and it make us ( the club) be the good guys. We don't have the problems you have, but we have dirt jump diggers that are just trashing the riding area, and there's not a thing we can do about it. The city tears them down, we go in and do clean up work ( filling in craters etc) but then they just rebuild them.

It's certain mentality I've seen, that's very prevalent on the west side of the state here. Build whatever you want, when they tear it down, just find another place to ride and build, rinse, repeat. Dont' bother to talk to anyone,get permission, make a plan.

The hardest thing to do is to decide to commit to get involved, to take action. It could take over your life. And it's a slow road, but ultimately rewarding.

One thing I do is I hang out out on one of the boards where I know a lot of these riders are. Without being negative ( or at least I try to not be negative or deragatory) I talk a lot about what our club is doing, the gains we are making, the LEGAL clearances we've gotten, the clean up and maintenance days, so that people do know what we are doing and that we are working on their behalf.

I net work a lot with other clubs. How do they handle these things? LBTC, here's a link for an interesting article from Kootenay Mountain Culture Magazine. Down in this part of BC they are doing things RIGHT in terms of trail building, mountain bike tourism and so on. The article itself is part of the pdf file, which is the whole most recent issue.
http://www.kmcmag.com/pdf/kmc_summer05.pdf It's a pretty interesting read... how much $$ mountain bike tourism is adding to the economy, working with the provincial government to get trail grants, how many jobs have been created.. but it's all legal trails and builds.

I'm rambling, the coffee kicked in, sorry...

irulan

[bcipam]

The big debate in the MTB community - what to do with rogue riders and groups?

I live in a area where most of the major MTB groups are well-respected and partner and share with many environmental groups. I'm a bike docent for The Nature Conservancy. The TNC is all about enjoying wilderness areas and also understanding what makes those areas so appealing is its natural state and beauty. Education about our environment is key. Our lead docents are also members of the Warriors Society and SHARE. Both group activiely promote preservation and trail maintenance. As a result, many areas have been opened up to riders because of these groups willingness to take ownership of the trails and control misuse and inappropriate riding and behavior. HOW? By speaking out. I'm not comfortable doing it, but I will and have said things to riders who are going off trail, partcipating in acts that damage trails (such as clearing rocks and brush, or building alternative trails). Doesn't mean that anyone stops when you say something but if one person stops, that is at least less damage.

My suggestions is that you contact SHARE of The Warriors Society and ask them what can be done to prevent this type of damage and destruction. Sadly, it's a matter of being totally inconsiderate to other users of the trail. I know its hard to say something, but we have to speak up. Sad thing about what was done, in clearing trees, and creating new singletrack, eventually that singletrak will become a doubletrack and then a big ugly road no longer fun to ride on.

[chelle]

I'm originally from Vancouver and I'm also a trailbuilder. Years ago people were just cutting trails and creating stunts that were very unsafe. When the local land managers started removing stunts and closing some trails the mountainbike community (mostly trailbuilders) got together and started the NSMBA www.nsmba.com to organize the builders. They now have a big voice with the local governments and land managers. I would suggest contacting them, talk to Sharon or Lee, they are an incredible wealth of knowledge and may have some ideas.

The trails on the shore don't have the same issues as you can't ride up them but I hate to hear that someone is cutting down live trees. In all of the trailbuilding that I've done I've never cut live trees.

I now live in Colorado and most of the land here is national forest or protected land or private. People still build trails here but if you get caught building you can go to jail. I think that's a bit harsh but it stops the illegal cutting of live trees.

I would suggest building a network of like minded cyclists and win the battle with information not action. Many mountain bikers just don't know about forests and the effect that trails have on erosion. If we didn't have trees and grasses on the mountains, holding all the soil there, we would just have big hunks of rock.

[LBTC]

thank you, ladies, and please keep your thoughts and comments comiing.

at this moment, I still have a very heavy heart about the situation.

We've spoken up before and it put our health in jeopardy. This time I think it would encroach on my sanity as well. I simply am not strong enough to do this again.

We never see the destruction taking place. This is a small population area, where, thank goodness, it is rare to see another rider on any given trail, let alone the people who are "building". When we do see a new line on a trail, or a place where the single track is wider than it ought to be, we, and a few other riders we know, will take debris from the forest floor and narrow the trail, or block off the new line.

When we see the dirt jumps, and, yes, we get those here, too...if they are fresh enough we have been known to move the dirt back. However, we don't ride with shovels, so there's a limit to how much we can do.

The "club" here has done a good job of making it seem to the public, the ministries, and other organizations that they are working with all riders, working with land managers and working within IMBA guidelines. It's completely false. They have alienated a whole group of riders, and they continue to encourage rogue trails. In essence, we have a rogue club.

I have a lot of respect for NSMBA, I wil consider making contact. However, I know that club representation has been to their trail building conference for 2 years. It's likely that what I have to say will not be believed. These guys from the club are smooth. really smooth. like selling snake oil.

I suppose that my post may not have been fair. As I think about this, perhaps I really did just want to vent, since my soul becomes hurt each time I try to envision taking the actions that you've all suggested. Your thoughts and ideas are dead on. I just don't have what it takes to do it.

The local guys in the club understand what they are doing. They can see the damage they've caused. They know what the IMBA rules are. They've been exposed to a lot of information about erosion, etc. They simply don't care. The attitude is like that of a parasite. They just ride the **** out of a trail, until it's not ridable anymore, then move on to another one. I don't have what it takes to inform them. I feel powerless.

I apologize for the negativity of this post. You should know that as I write this I have tears in my eyes.

Riding is nealry like a religion to me. The trails are sacred. It's like having hooligans vanadlize my church when I see what they do to the trails.

I would like to be the strong and enlightened person that can continue to work towards good even while the powers against it grow stronger. I'm not that person. I may never be.

thank you for accepting me, anyway.

Namaste,
~T~

[Irulan]

if anyone has been following NEMBA's purchase of a piece of property (North East Mtb Assos.) here is what they have been up to:

http://www.nemba.org/digitalnemba/Vi...lding2005.html