build a bike

[mimitabby]

okay, so to build a bike you need
a frame
a fork
a gruppo
wheels
tires
handlebars
brakes.

is that it? does the gruppo include the wheels or the brakes?
is there more?

[Bad JuJu]

Handlebar stem, saddle, and pedals come to mind. Not sure what else. Does gruppo include chain?

[mimitabby]

oh yeah, saddle and pedals. Those might be the only things I already have.

[SadieKate]

Mimi, are you talking YOU build the bike at home or a shop build it? A gruppo is typically a set "group" of stuff and you should check the manufacterer's site for the item list.

If you are building it at home there is a ton more stuff. Headset, cables, housing, ferrules, quick releases, cable donuts, bar tape, cable ends, power link (if desired), bottle cages, seatpost clamp, rim strips or plugs, to start.

[Eden]

I believe a gruppo or group set general contains rear and front derailleurs, brakes, front chainrings/crankset, brakes/shifters, bottom bracket, rear cassette and chain.

In addition to the things you've mentioned you'll also need a seat post, maybe a seatpost clamp if its not integrated into the frame, a saddle of course, cables, a stem, a headset, and handlebar tape.

I'll keep thinking about it so see if I've forgotten anything.

wow - lots of replies in the time I was composing this message!

[spokewench]

A gruppo can contain wheels and brakes but not necessarily so. Your gruppo is like saying I want Dura Ace - that is your gruppo; but you might pick different types of brakes for your hand size, or wheels (dura ace does make wheels but they are take a while to get usually); A gruppo does not "usually" contain wheels - Sometimes they include the headset, but not always.

I think you got it all with your post and the next, but there are all the little things, brake and shifting cables, little end caps for your cables (I forget what they call them), shifters if the brakes are separate from shifters; headset; handlebar tape; that's all I can think of now

[mimitabby]

a frame
a fork
a gruppo(derailleur, cogs, chain, crank)
wheels
tires
handlebars
handlebar tape
brakes.
seatpost
seatpost clamp
stem
headset
FENDERS
brakes
saddle
pedals

not counting things that cost less than a dollar or two, if you're all in agreement, this looks
like a list I can work with for pricing and stuff. THANKS

[Eden]

little end caps for your cables (I forget what they call them)

I'm not sure if its correct terminology or not, but I've always called them cable crimps.

[DebW]

Brakes are part of a gruppo

[SadieKate]

not counting things that cost less than a dollar or two, if you're all in agreement, this looks
like a list I can work with for pricing and stuff. THANKS

Whew, boy. You haven't priced quick releases or a Campy cable set lately, have you?

Mimi, you also don't have to buy a gruppo. For instance, you don't have to buy all Shimano or all Campy. You can mix and match with some of the other brands, often to your benefit.

[Eden]

Also you can save money by buying gently used parts. We have two stores in the area that specialize - Recycled Cycles and Second Ascent. Parts that don't wear out quickly- like stems, seatposts and handlebars are good to get there and are generally priced quite low $5 to $10

[mimitabby]

Thank you Eden;
what about wheels?

[Batbike]

Thank you Eden;
what about wheels?

Don't know what you are looking for in wheels, but noticed Colarado Cyclist had a set of Topolino's for 1/2 price -- Shimano hub. It is an awesome deal on a fantastic set of wheels!

Of course there are MANY deals out there, if you keep looking and wait for the deal. Price matching, no shipping costs, and no tax will save you big $$ ... Wise Cycle Buys and Chuck's Close-outs come to mind. That is how I have built my bikes ... waiting for the deal. Gently used parts are worth using too! Both ways, save LOTS of money and it is fun to "shop around"!

[Eden]

Thank you Eden;
what about wheels?

Do you plan to sell the Veloce? You could use the wheels from the Veloce on your new bike and put a set of relatively inexpensive wheels on that one - or even if you plan to keep the Veloce as a rain bike it may be worth it to do the same thing. The Velo shop sometimes has good sales on wheels and you can keep an eye out at Performance as well - sometimes they have 20% off anything in the stores sales (we have 2 local outlets U District and Redmond) You can get used wheels, but they are a fairly heavy wear item so you have to be careful- the rims on the wheels I ride all winter get worn enough to need replacing after just a year or so...

[mimitabby]

Right, thanks Eden and thanks Batbike (cute name)