Well, DH decided to quit work early and we went to the "city" (a large town with malls, HOme Depot's and Lowe's) which is a good hour one way away. I wanted to go to the bike shop and look at toe warmers or booties as my feet froze on this mornings ride. I've been to this shop maybe 3 times in a little over a year, and ended up with the same young man waiting on me each time. He helped with the selection of toe coverings, then I looked around and decided I wanted some new liners for inside my cycling shoes as I didn't think there was much support left in mine. I was unsure where to start to find out which one would be best for me,so he had me stand barefoot, walk forward, backwards, do one legged squats then put a new liner in. Said one leg was more angled than the other, and did I ever experience knee pain. Yep, not until recently, and he was surprised when I said outer aspect. He adjusted my cleat angles (I have mtb bike shoes on my road bike) and said he wished my bike was here. As fate would have it, I had it in the back of my truck. Which on the way to the city, DH was complaining as he was going to be bringing stuff home and having the bike just makes it an inconvenience, yada yada. So he went graciously and brought in my bike, they had me change into a pair of their new shorts off rack and said they were going to adjust everything for me, as I never really had a true bike fitting. (I bought bike at a LBS, shoes from another LBS and the 2 were never really married). SO on the trainer the bike went, and he tagged my knees and measured and leveled and changed my shoe liners/inserts again and said that it looked better. He also made me peddle and peddle and the sweat was rolling, I was wearing a long sleeve sweater. He made the observation almost immediately that I don't peddle effeciently. I apparently peddle with my toes pointing down at most of my stroke. He kept reminding me to peddle flat and put my heel down. So now at the end of the season, and after 2 years of riding a road bike, I am learning how to ride all over again. So tomorrow will be my first day out as an old dog learning new tricks. Has anyone else ever had this experience? And, even though I did purchase the toe warmers and the shoe liners, he never charged me for any of the fitting, and I bet he spent a good hour getting the proper fit. Not sure if that is common or not, but I was very impressed with his time and knowledge. I left there thinking, now why couldn't they be closer to home, and very appreciative of his time. Thanks for listening..shelly