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Finally. I hope it f'ing hurt!
'Bout time!
Definitely great news to hear, unfortunately...I don't think it will put an end to terrorism or al-Qaida.
so can we bring our soldiers home now. I'm done with it! Mission accomplished and all? I wish we could, but I fear their safety is just as much in danger now than ever before. Will his crazy followers see his death as a martyrdom and channel that rage even more towards us? I agree with nrscbug- I don't think it will change anything. A new leader will be appointed and they will continue their senseless pursuits.
Yep, unfortunately I believe this is true. His ilk will likely make him a martyr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tri Girl
People are standing in front of the White House right now singing and chanting. They just sang the Star Spangled Banner and God Bless America.
One of my friends lives near Fort Myer in Arlington, VA -- soldiers assigned to Arlington National Cemetary are based there. He can hear people cheering.
This is way cool. If there's any good that came out of 9/11 it's how united everything felt for a while. People just seemed nicer and more patient with one-another. I hope this can happen again, but from a relatively positive event.Quote:
Originally Posted by ny biker
Somehow this seems all the more poignant, I live in a small town and one of the owners of a local restaurant lost his son last week in Afgahanistan. A 19 yr old Marine was killed by a terrorist road side bomb. 19 is just way too young. My heart hurts for his parents, I know the dad and he is a very gentle person and I imagine his son was too.
I know I should not be happy that Bin Laden is dead because he was a human being, but I am anyway. He was probably the most hated person in the world in the last 50 years.
This is very good news. Unfortunately I do not think this means we can bring the troops home. But I do think this is long over due.
I wondered if people would gather at the WTC site, but there's nothing at the south end which is all I can see without going outside. I am hearing cheering and car horns, so something is going on.
Ironically, I was talking to a firefighter who does wildlife rehab just before this news broke. He's at work tonight. I can only imagine the atmosphere at the fire houses right now.
They just showed the crowds at Ground Zero on MSNBC.
no he wasn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Bike Writer
I can't bring myself to cheer because a man is dead, but I am happy that he no longer will able to plan or execute terrible actions towards other people. He may well become a martyr and inspire revenge under a new leader, but still, there have been so many martyrs before him, and not many leaders actually to manage to gain as much power and sway over people as he did.
^ This.Quote:
Originally Posted by lph
If you think this will stop 12yr olds wanting to martyr themselves..think again.
I don't buy it..i want to see a body.
^ agree. The fight against terrorism isn't over, but thankfully there are few leaders as charismatic as he apparently was. It is good that justice has been done.Quote:
Originally Posted by lph
Shot in the face and buried at sea...fish food, I love it! He wasn't a human being, he was a monster and better off dead!
I agree that someone will replace him and that Al Queda is not dead. But still, I am glad this happened.
I am a little concerned for my son, who is scheduled to leave Afghanistan in about 10 days. There's going to be a lot more anti-Americanism. That, and the fact that he now is going to be part of the very small and elite Marines Special Ops Forces... just like the Navy Seals who killed bin Laden. He'll still be doing counter intelligence, but, still... in one generation we went from me protesting on the Boston Common to Special Ops :eek:.
Like all of you, I am glad that Bin Laden can no longer do some of the horrible things he has done in the past... but reality is that it doesn't end simply because he is gone.
I also would like to think that there might be a tiny sliver of closure for many people in our country, but somehow partying and celebrating seems as though we are exhibiting the same types of behavior. I am glad that he is gone, but somehow my heart tells me that it's simply wrong to celebrate. Our countrys face in the world is changing, and it's sad that we are now looking like such a revengeful country! Are our actions being looked upon as being any different than some of the more violent countries?
I agree with Crazy Canuck, if this is such a wonderful thing for people to celebrate... where is the body?
It's time that we acted with class...
ridebikeme, well said.
On the other hand, do you all really believe that Bin Ladin was the only person complicit in the 9-11 tragedy? We will never know the rest of the story. Remember who he was buddies with? I'm glad this assassination happened on Obama's watch, and I do hope this means we can bring some of our guys home as fast as we can.
I have such mixed feelings.
I'm glad he's gone. But it shouldn't have taken this long.
On one level I want to celebrate but on another level I find it appalling to be celebrating a death this way. Don't get me wrong, most of my family is in the New York City area. I was so pissed off at 9/11 that I joined the army in hopes that I'd get sent to Afganistan (I wasn't). I wanted him dead. But I just don't know about the celebrations. To me it's a sober moment.
Heard on the news this morning that it took years of recon, months of planning. And they told the Pakistanis afterwards.
How did the Pakistanis NOT know where he was?
He's gone, but it isn't over.
the feds still have him on their most wanted page
"Osama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."
they don't have enough evidence to connect him to the 9/11 bombings. Maybe that's why they wanted him dead?
I hope this will bring closure to all those whose lives were forever changed and affected. And I hope this will close a chapter on our history.
And if you can get a complete closure by celebrating his death, I can not pass judgement as whether it is the right thing or the wrong thing. But to celebrate just for the sake of celebrating over a death of an individual, is disturbing.
Others have eloquently said what I feel.
peace to all,
smilingcat
Unidentifiable and missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kermit
Yeah. Right.
(Let us not forget that the Bin Ladens were visiting their close friends and fellow oil tycoons on Sept 11, and their private jet was the only aircraft allowed to fly during the 3 days. Their close friends had a son with a lot of power at the time... If we had really wanted to catch him, we would have 10 years ago.)
exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnottedYet
Thank you for writing this. I am concerned that such celebrations can only fuel more hate. I can certainly understand that many will feel a sense of relief, but for me this spells uncertainty and factions competing for leadership, not an happily-ever-after ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridebikeme
May we all live in peace.
Great article and perspective, written in a local publication by a local writer Stan Latrielle. Stan is a retired Judge.
http://livingstontalk.com/editor-pic...e-of-violence/
I really like that article, Bike Writer. While I am shaking my head at those who think dancing in the streets today means there is no work left to be done (how is this different than people in other countries who shoot guns in the air when Americans are killed), I also shake my head at those who don't believe there are times we need to use force to fight real evil. I think it's hard for us to accept that this exists in the world. I know I am more aware of some of these things because I have a child in counter intelligence, who has no qualms about giving up his life for this, but also, the older I get, the more I think you can't have a "reflexive" attitude toward things. History often just doesn't go the way we want it to.
I have a friend who wrote "Thank G-D for the USA, go USA" on her Facebook page today. To me, that is just the attitude we don't need. We are becoming ugly Americans. But, we also don't need the opposite, such as in proclaining the US is "bad" because we killed a violent terrorist. -
I am actually a bit disgusted with the dancing in the street and celebrating wildly. After 9/11 I remember some people being photographed world wide celebrating, are we any better than that? For me, I will leave him to be judged by the God he believed in. I am relieved that a man with so much hatred towards innoncent people is no longer able to help with terror acts.
Having a friend murdered I learned nothing was gained by his murderer killing himself as well. I still miss my friend terribly but am thankful the person responsible cannot harm others. Closure didn't come from the murderer's death, it came from letting go of my anger and loving my friend's memory.
Aggie Ama +1.
Glad he's gone...public jubillation seems inappropriate. I'm frankly embarrassed that it took us 10 yrs to get him...he's had ample tIme to be build infrastructure, transfer his substantial wealth to perpetuate funding the cause, and minimize the impact of his death.
On the other hand, I wonder what the faithful now think...he wasn't living in a cave, but rather an affluent suburb in the city.
We killed an enemy that killed thousands and was a constant threat to our great country. Will it end terrorism? No, But the leader of the empire is gone and soon the enemy will crumble. I myself celebrated for all those that lost loved ones in 9/11 and had no way of fighting back. To second guess our military and their actions is part of the problem with this country. The seals that took on this mission are heros and are out fighting for our freedom. Whatever they did to his body, it doesn't matter. I have friends in the military including Navy Seals and perhaps my law enforcement career makes me believe that people should pay for their crimes. So hate me, it's my opinion and yeah...thank god for the USA!
I'm not adverse to him being dead, but it's the dancing in the streets that I am troubled by. There was dancing in the streets when the towers went down too, but I don't recall mention of dancing in the streets when Hitler was killed.
The cheering and honking went on a long time, I think. It's not something I would do, but I can understand why people feel the need for an emotional outpouring. They even had the bagpipers down there.
I don't like the carnival-like atmosphere that develops on the 9/11 anniversaries, either, but it's not about me and it's a very trivial problem in the great scheme of things.
Well I turned the tv off about 1:30 am, so I maybe I missed the dancing and the wild celebrations. But really, out of the total population of the US, I think only a small number of people were outside celebrating, and it didn't look all that wild to me. Just really off-key singing. Here in DC it was mostly college students.
My first reaction on seeing the news on twitter was disbelief. When I realized it was true, I admit I was happy. Not unrealistic enough to think it would make the world any safer, and conscious that it was wrong to be glad that someone is dead. But I was happy. Because I have too many horrible memories from 9/11/01 and the days that followed.
And then there's this.
http://www.arlnow.com/2011/05/02/qui...agon-memorial/
I do not regret his death, this is an outcome of war...I simply will not celebrate it. Gladness over a victory in battle is fair, but celebration is reserved for the end of the war.
“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” Martin Luther King, Jr
*phew* I'm not the only person that was disgusted by the people dancing in the streets & waving US flags.
It just reminded me of rallies in the middle east...
What really really got my goat though was the footage of the former president using the loudspeaker a few days after 9/11....AGUGHGHHHH...*$$&$&$&
Yea... wise words... and look how that turned out:(.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Bloom
People are crazy.
At a loss for words to add what's already posted atm.
thank you for that quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Bloom