I can feel the wrinkles forming. I need a good sunscreen for my face, that won't clog my pores. Any suggestions?
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I can feel the wrinkles forming. I need a good sunscreen for my face, that won't clog my pores. Any suggestions?
Neutrogena Age Shield Facial Sunblock is a good one. I have also used Aveeno Ageless facial moisturizer (it has a sunblock in it) and Clinique makes some good stuff.
2nd on the Neutrogena sunblock, I used the 85spf last summer and it was great. No breakouts, but it went on a little thick.
Third on Neutrogena! I also use Avon Anew Alternative moisturizer with a spf of 25.
I can't believe the only thing you think about when you go out in the sun is wrinkles...:confused:
Do you not think about skin cancer? Perhaps it's just me..after living in NZ for 4yrs & now Aust...having the "slip, slop, slap" motto banged into my head etc..All I can think about is what time of the day i'm outside, using proper sunscreen & covering up properly...
Funny, the face, arms, hands, gets taken care of, but upper chest I tend to forget - and guess where I'm finding "age spots?" :(
Coppertone Sport spf 30 has been the sunscreen lately.
I can't remember the brand, but basically anything that says it is specifically for faces and is sweatproof, probably Banana Boat or Coppertone. I use Neutrogena every day, but it isn't sweatproof so I don't rely on it for rides.
As someone who is also concerned about appearance in addition to skin cancer, I am trying hard to minimize my biker short and glove lines. I know some of you show your tan lines with pride, but I hate going to the pool or beach with glaring white shorts lines. I have gotten some Bull Frog SPF 50, waterproof, sweatproof, etc. to use. It is spray on, so I can cover myself quickly. I know it is probably a lost cause, but maybe I can at least minimize it a little bit. Plus, it is better for my skin!
Faces by Banana Boat! It's great! But my fav is Coppertone Sport SPF 30
Link to last year's discussion.
It's not actually cut and dried—and I live in Chile, which is also affected by the ozone hole. First, sunscreen interferes with our ability to make vitamin D, and studies are increasingly showing the importance of vitamin D. I take a supplement, but I also try to get some naturally. Second, most sunscreens contain components (benzenes) that mimic female hormones. I am very concerned about exposing my young boys to that. For them, I use Banana Boat kids. For myself, I use sunscreen on my face and generally try to stay out of the sun during peak hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycanuck
Sunscreen every day of my life since mid teens, inncluding winter. Still, the damage was done as a kid.
Vitamin D? 10 minutes per day to face and hands is what you need. Benefit of going without doesn't outweigh the risk of skin cancer.
"While exposure to sun may be the best way to boost vitamin D levels, this doesn't necessarily give sun lovers licence to tan. While being mindful of the threat of skin cancer, people should calculate how much time they spend in the sun depending on location, cloud cover, skin type, age and the amount of pollution in the area. Generally, doctors recommend that 10 to 15 minutes outdoors without sunscreen at least twice a week is adequate.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/05/16/f-health-vitamin-d.html#ixzz0mJ1WLvMW"
Melanoma is deadly. Early detection is key. It doesn't respond well to treatment once it's spread.
Please wear sunscreen, liberally, and reapply every couple of hours.
SLIP, SLOP, SLAP, WRAP - (wrap around sunglasses). Your eyes are at risk too.
SLIP, SLOP, SLAP??? Having some interesting visuals on this, but probably unrelated to what this actually means concerning sun protection :)
I am fair and do NOT tan, and have avoided the sun for years. That is about to change with my bike :p
I am noting sport sunscreens available at CVS with SPF 100 - when did it get that high? I DID, however, find a sweat-proof sports sunscreen with an SPF of 50 and a lip-stick with a 30 SPF. Do I need a separate product for my face, or will the regular sunscreen be enough? I don't care about wrinkles, I DO care about skin cancer.
For rides, I use Neutrogena Ultimate Sport SPF 70 for faces on my face. Regular Neutrogena Ultimate Sport SPF 70 for the rest of me. It works great. The only reason I use the special face stuff on my face is because it's less irritating.
For everyday I use Eucerin sensitive skin face moisturizer with SPF 30. It's the least greasy of the various brands that I tried last summer.
My biggest sun-related problem is brown spots.
I have very sensitive skin and Hawaiian Tropic's Baby Faces is the only thing I can use that doesn't clog my pores. I use it on my kids too, so I can buy it in bulk. :)
Looks like I will have sunscreen just even the small area below my throat..brown spots.
That absolutely cements why I have not worn any tank tops nor sleeveless jerseys when I go cycling or hiking...for the past 18 yrs. I only wear sleeveless off bike when I'm visiting people or doing something completely non-sports.
And I am out cycling 96% of all days during spring, summer and fall ever since we moved to Vancouver (2002). Averaging at least a total of 1 hr. in total (or more) per day of cycling.
As mentioned awhile ago on the forum, last year I did have dermatologist examine my face on the nature of a couple brown spots. It's ok, but she did encourage me to keep on using sun screen. As soon as she saw my exposed skin on legs, arms, etc., she could tell I used sunscreen often..maybe it was the nature of the tan..which I do get a slight one even with 70 SFP. (Neutrogena)
I really don't care about strange tan lines and it tends to be "gradual" lines because different jerseys have different arm sleeve lengths, etc. But then my natural skin colour does have a golden/yellow cast. So it's kinda of...dumb to worry about this..for me. :)
Last year when we went to Hawaii, not once did I lie out on the beach. Just cycling around for 1-2 hrs. each day was enough since i found the sun just powerful.
+1 on the Neutrogena Sport - usually put 70 on my face, ears, nose and 40 on the rest of my exposed skin. I have had one pre-cancerous mole removed and my grandma has lived through melanoma more than once. I don't take unnecessary chances with skin cancer now that I am older and wiser like I did when I was an idiot kid ("hey, let's sunbath wearing baby oil!").
Neutrogena Face Shield it is!
Although anything can happen, skin cancer is one thing I haven't worried about here. Even when I was a kid, though, I was very careful about it in KS. I saw a guy without any ears there! He lost them to skin cancer and just had holes in his head. When my friends were sunbathing I was saying "I don't want wrinkles when I get older!" I was such a geek.
I get so little sun up here. Just my face when I'm skiing or riding and that's it. It's cold so much of the time that it's nothing to go a whole year without ever putting on a swim suit and it's easy to be quite comfortable all year without ever putting on shorts or a tank top. Even as a nurse, I very rarely see it. One great thing about our climate - the dogs don't get heart worms and the people rarely get skin cancer!
Of course, this is my first year cycling in the summer. I didn't start until September of last year. I imagine I'll have a lot more opportunities to expose my body to the sun now . . . .
I'm going to come clean here - I only use sunscreen as a last resort. I would prefer not to put all the chemicals/oils on my skin and frankly, I don't believe that it is as beneficial as we have been lead to believe.
When I am outside in the summer (on the farm), I wear a big brimmed hat, long sleeves and jeans or long pants. At work, I'm inside all day. In the winter, I don't even think about sunscreen since the sun rarely shines when I'm outside. Plus, I happen to be olive skinned. I actually DO worry about vit D levels. 10 minutes of direct sun on the face and hands per day is exceedingly hard to come by in some climates, you know. ;)
I only wear sunscreen on the bike which is pretty much the only athletic activity I'd do ALL day or during mid-day. For that, I look for sweat proof and I slather it on. I really only wear it to prevent burns though - I don't think it does diddly for preventing premature aging or skin cancer when I STILL get super dark no matter how much I put on, how high the SPF or how fresh it is. :confused: I do appreciate its ability to prevent severe pain though, so I use it when that is a concern.
Here's a good resource regarding sunscreen safety:
http://www.ewg.org/cosmetics/report/sunscreen09
I probably err on the side of overkill (zinc/titanium sunscreen, sun protective (UPF 30) long sleeve jerseys, and long tights for running and cycling -- even in 100 degree weather. Etc. I as diagnosed with VERY LOW vitamin d levels due to all my "covering up" and now take 1000-2000 IU of vitamin d supplements each day. It's amazing at how correcting this deficiency has alleviated 99% of my joint/bone pain.
I've seen the devastation of skin cancer on my husband (he's undergone multiple surgeries and wears the scars to prove it). I used to not worry about it, due to being olive-complected and growing up when SPF 2 "suntan oil" was all the rage. But, I'm hoping better late than never . . . :confused:
I am a sunscreen junkie. I am very fair and burn if I just think of the sun. Living in Texas doesn't help any. There has been a lot of controversy as to the sun stability of many US brands of sunscreen as well as their ability to block UVA rays.
I us La Roche-Posey Anthelios XL. It has mexoryl which is the only sunscreen that is proven to be photo stable as well as an excellent uva and uvb block. In the rest of the world, this sunscreen is considered the gold standard. Unfortunately, in the US we are behind the curve and the only product that is approved by the FDA with mexoryl has an spf of 15. For years, I had my canadian friend ship spf 50+ sunscreen to me, but now it is pretty easy to find on the internet. I bought my last batch on amazon.
Mary K has a good moisturisure that I use. It has sun block in it aswell. I really like it. Me being so fair skinned and burning so easily (you should se the Bike MS pics from last year -I look like roudolfs cousin) I use banana boat for before I head our on the rest of me though.
I know that several folks here are complaining about the lack of sun during certain seasons but it absolutely cannot compare living in the Arctic where it is the land of the midnight sun in winter (I was there at 1:00 pm in January. It was dark, like the sun was about to rise. That is how dark it gets during daytime.) And it is very cold up there, so more disincentives of getting sunlight from being outdoors, etc.
So truly, we really need to be careful claiming about not getting "enough" sun. :rolleyes: It's alot easier for us to get it...just by walking around outdoors for 15 min. or so at least every day.
I mentioned earlier about my lack of interest in lying out in sun in Hawaii last year because of cycling daily.
On my lst trip to Hawaii in 2002, I wore long-sleeved cotton shirt at least 50% of the time. The sun's rays really did feel very powerful (to me) and I was getting tired of the sun screen bit.
I have not sunbathed in a bathing suit ..for past 20 yrs. And it definitely is not because I'm ashamed of my figure. Far from it. Instead cycling so regularily in past 18 yrs., just makes sunbathing totally irrelevant for me.
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Originally Posted by shootingstar
Until I moved here, I would agree with you.
There are days in the winter where I don't see the sun AT ALL. I work in a building that while it has windows, I am seated no where near one (even worse when I'm in the lab). Our winter days are so short that I'd leave for work in the dark and return to home in the dark...5 days in a row. Lunch is usually taken at my desk (if I can take one!)...so I see NO sun. Hell, even my farm chores were done by headlamp during the week!
So yes, it is quite possible that 1) I don't need sunscreen in the winter and 2) I could have vit d deficiency issues for a month or two.
My husband is completely different. He works from home and does get out at least once a day to tend to the animals during daylight hours. He is also fair skinned. While he might not bother with sunscreen for daily use in the winter, he certainly has no danger of missing out on vit d.
Just like so many other things we talk about on here, everyone's situation is different.
My hubby recently had a melanoma and a lymph node removed. His surgeon and oncologist are reasonably certain that he's cancer-free, but this is a guy who never tanned. Not only do we wear at least 50spf sunblock, but also Moeben arm sleeves on the bike.
Wow, CC, that's funny! I'd never heard that slogan either.
In my climate, I'm sticking with slip, slap, seek and slide. You guys can do the slop. ;)
Anytime a dermatologist sees my green eyes, the first thing they ask is if I use sunscreen. Like many others, I got the exposure as a child and some extra stupidity as a teen while skiing, when a bronze face was de rigeur.
Having had two total acid face peels to burn off pending melanomas I now slip, slop and slather.
Just as a side note another preventative I use in the summer are arm coolers. These are wicking sun resistant fiber that both pull the sweat off of my arms and prevent sun exposure. They are made by de Soto and are available from trisports.com.
I actually use these as arm protection/ wind breaks in the spring and fall as well. They aren't as warm as arm warmers but they absolutely are the best for taking the sting out of the sun.
marni
Actually the DeSoto arm coolers, cool wings and leg coolers are available here at Team Estrogen.Quote:
Originally Posted by marni
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_CW.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_AC.html
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_LC.html
Now they have a base layer too.
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html
Plus that helmet beanie.
http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_WBL.html
I got mine right here on TE: http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodDE_CW.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by marni
And I do love them. I'm on the fence about chemical sunscreens and how good they are for us. So, I try to cover up with fabric where possible, and use more natural sunscreens where I really need to. I find they just aren't that effective for me - I tried a new face formula recently, and looked like I had a sunburn from it. It was almost like a chemical burn. Not pretty.
ETA: I see they have leg coolers now. Anyone tried them? If so, how well do they stay up? I've not tried knee/leg warmers, but would be tempted to try these.
Jinx. You beat me to it:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ny biker
I was working two browsers at once. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueberry
I haven't tried the leg coolers, but I liked the cool wings so much last summer that I got a second one for Christmas.
well thanks for the update on the de soto stuff. I got the tri sports reference from a woman I ride with on occasion who does triathalons- I wasn't a member of TE at the time so.... It's nice to have TE torefer to when I tell people about them.
marni who needs to ride after having had to sit home for three useless days waiting for the ac man who never showed. Same thing on tap for tomorrow so....then it's supposed to rain. ARGH!!!!!
marni
As far as sweat-proofness of sunblocks go, I have found the Neutrogena face stuff is good (though I still don't apply it above the eyes, because nothing is sweat-proof enough to not hurt like a mofo once it finds its way into my eyes), but for the rest of me nothing beats the Coppertone Sport spray. I'm guessing sweat won't be as big an issue on the bike, but when I run I sweat like a horse, so I really did a lot of testing of Sport sunblocks the last few years.
I use Neutrogena Age Defense Face everyday, especially since i have red hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. When i go for a ride i add Coppertone Sport ultra sweatproof.
I wasn't born with my mother's Moroccan/Middleastern skin, but with my father's Eastern European skin. In short, I look like a ghost (see my Avatar? Day glow. My sister and brother always look tanned, but nooo not me :(). Well, I hate sunscreen. I hate putting it on, the smell and feel, and when I sweat and it gets in my eyes :eek:. But my father's brothers all have skin cancer, my dad had pre-cancers removed from his skin (8 of them), and I am resigned to keeping away from the sunlight like a vampire. I use No-Ad and Banana Boat sweatproof, and apply it often during longer rides. I love the outdoors; camping, hiking, 4xing, and of course road and mtb riding, and those disgusting bottles follow me everywhere. I take small bottles or samples on rides, keep several in the truck at all times and pack more in my camping gear. SPF 30 in early to mid spring, 50 to 70 during the summer, and 15~20 for the winter unless it is very overcast where I dare to go with only the protection of clothing and clouds.
As for vitamin D, I supplement, 5000iu in drops mixed in my antioxidant Acai/berry drink every morning. Now I don't know if it's all in my head (probably is), but after about 2 weeks of this supplementation, I found I have a general feeling of well being and my creaky achy knees and hips feel much improved. Whatever the reason, I'm sticking with it; it is the only supplement I can say I feel a very real difference taking.
As one who is also uber fair with a huge family history of skin cancer, and having had several removed from me already and the scars to prove it, plus living my whole life at altitude and in the desert...
...I do not trust that most conventional sunscreens are good for us. They may keep us from being burned, but they are full of crap I simply do not trust. After slathering on spf 30's to 50's of the conventional variety for years to no good effect (in terms of preventing skin cancer)...
I have switched to mostly chemical free sunscreens, none over the level of 20 spf, and I also do the Vitamin D supplement thing. Not only do I feel better, I haven't had the yearly "bloom" of basal cell carcinomas I was starting to bitterly agree to.
I strongly suspect the efficacy of sunscreens in their ability to prevent cancer. They may prevent burn, but I don't believe most are good for us due to their heavy chemical make up, and create more problems than they prevent.
Could you suggest the sunscreens that you are currently using? I have avoided the sun for most of my 50 years due to some bad experiences with sun poisoning as a child and in my early 20's. However if I want to ride I can't avoid the sun any more :) I currently have Coppertone Sport 50 Ultra Sweatproof sunscreen - but I do wonder about the chemical content. My skin isn't used to anything like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by lunacycles
I am very fair, and also am of Eastern European ancestry (and Scot - but I take after my father's family where my complexion is concerned).
I'm not Margo, but next on my list to try is Badger Balm. I think they have a 30 - but it's zinc oxide - nothing icky. There was some sort of rating page that I remember thinking highly of that rated it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catrin
Skinceuticals has some excellent sunscreens, some of which are all physical...
http://www.skinceuticals.com/_us/_en...g/protect.aspx
Total Block is another good physical sunscreen...
http://www.falleneskincare.com/displ...criteria=12552
I use Nia24 sunscreen daily and I love it. It is a physical sunscreen. The only problem is that it is not waterproof, so I use La Roche Posey when I need some waterproof.
http://www.skin-etc.com/nia24sundapr.html
My current fave is "BestBloc" organic uva/uvb spf 15 from Best on Earth. It is really good, feels very light, no zinc oxide, and bloody expensive (but at this point my skin is definitely worth it).Quote:
Could you suggest the sunscreens that you are currently using? I have avoided the sun for most of my 50 years due to some bad experiences with sun poisoning as a child and in my early 20's. However if I want to ride I can't avoid the sun any more I currently have Coppertone Sport 50 Ultra Sweatproof sunscreen - but I do wonder about the chemical content. My skin isn't used to anything like this...
I am very fair, and also am of Eastern European ancestry (and Scot - but I take after my father's family where my complexion is concerned).
http://bestonearthproducts.com/bestb..._sunscreen.php
Another good one is Sun Shield by MyChelle (you can get at Whole Foods). Also bloody expensive (even more per ounce than Best on Earth), and it uses a form of zinc oxide that does not turn your skin white. It is thicker. I believe it is SPF20 or so.
mraguirre's recommendations look intriguing to me if you want a higher SPF or water resistance.
mraguirre: what is a "physical" sun screen? Curious.
I too am very cautious at this point, esp as I was fried to a crisp repeatedly as a child through my mid 20's, and have always lived at high altitude. I could be a poster child for high risk for skin cancer based on genetics and lifestyle (and both of my parents have had a lot of cancers removed, and i've already had half a dozen or so), so I don't mess around anymore.