http://health.msn.com/womens-health/...6&imageindex=1
IT'S kind of interesting.
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http://health.msn.com/womens-health/...6&imageindex=1
IT'S kind of interesting.
That is interesting Mimi!
Thanks for the link.:)
Yes, that was interesting! But I went huh? and oh yes! severasl times:
- "fit" women, defined as women who walk at least 30 min per day. Is that total activity? We evolved to walk around on our feet all day, didn't we?
- hip injury lead to illness - oh yes, I've watched my mother, who "doesn't exercise" but used to love hiking, get feeble and feebler as her hips got worse. It practically immobilized her and she didn't have the motivation or experience to do other exercise.
- blueberries: Norway's Labour Party's Grand Old Man, Haakon Lie, who is 102 and very much all there, attributes his health and vigour to eating a cup of blueberries every day.
- "Just by vacuuming, mopping floors, or washing windows for a little more than an hour, the average person can burn about 285 calories, lowering risk of death by 30 percent, according to a study of 302 adults in their 70s and 80s." What lowers risk of death by 30 % - burning 285 calories? Housework as such? How about exercise instead?
Yeah, I'm picky, sorry ;)
Yea, I'm not giving up my cleaning service, but otherwise, I'm doing pretty good, according to this.
But I want a maid! No mention of doing the yard work. I'd much rather mow the grass than vacuum and mop.
If I could get fresh blueberries all time. But blueberry season ended months ago. And I've eaten all the ones I had stashed in the freezer. :rolleyes:
Eating 'purple foods', does eggplant count for a purple food since the inside isn't purple? One of my random thoughts. And do red grapes count the same as the purple? I found I don't care much for the deep dark grapes as they are mushier than the red ones. Is that just me?
I need to up my tea, and change to sparkling water. I *need* that fizziness in pop, not the caffiene, just the fizziness.:rolleyes:
You remind me of the opening chapter of Charmichael's "Food for Fitness" book, which paraphrases as "Yeah, those exercise guidelines that say all you need is a half-hour of walking three times a week? That's not for you."Quote:
Originally Posted by lph
-- gnat! (more more more!)
i just found this:
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA157077
Researchers from the Osteoporosis Research Center at Creighton University found that excess urinary excretion of calcium occurred only when the carbonated beverages consumed contained caffeine. At least one earlier study had suggested that caffeine consumption can have a deleterious effect on bone health if not counteracted by sufficient calcium. The Creighton researchers found that the caffeine effect they saw was balanced by less excretion of calcium later in the day so that the net result was only a negligible loss of calcium. This led them to conclude that any effect on bone associated with carbonated drinks would stem from lowered calcium intake due to displacement of milk as a beverage. Incidentally, this study was sponsored by the dairy industry, which would have had an interest in the opposite result.
So the occasional soft drink won't wreck my bones!
Yay for carbonated beverages! I must be addicted to the fizz. Or maybe that I drink soooo much water, I just need something else 'cuz water gets old sometimes.
That's why there's fizzy water! My current favorite is fizzy mineral water with a wedge of lime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smilie
Great link! Thanks!
:D
I must say I did like it...
BUT NO WAY will I give up my house cleaner....I do enough other stuff to burn those calories.
And YIPPEE once again for red wine. Another thing I will NOT give up.
Interesting read and perspective.
But I think WE should make our own list! I bet we can come up with one.
Mine too!Quote:
Originally Posted by bmccasland
I havent had 'soda' in over 15 years
How do they establish a "30% lower risk of death?" Ever? or only during the housework hour? What were the other subjects doing? Riding motorcycles drunk and without helmets? or nibbling blueberries?
And they figured this out by studying people in their 70s and 80s...Does the result apply to anyone older or younger?
Still, pretty interesting things to think about.
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Originally Posted by malkin
I hate stuff like that... especially when it's applied to medical procedures. Last I checked we all have a 100% risk of death.
Thx, the link mimi. Interesting. I certainly agree that having some friends helps a person for mental longevity. Many studies involving geriatric residents have shown this.
It did just occur to me now, that all of my friends whom I've had close friendship for over last 25 years, are healthy folks..except for perhaps 1 who has a whole history related ....to her endometrosis and bowel....long story involving surgery and aftermath. Before she was quite healthy..
I did not choose any of these long term friends nor have kept those friendships based on their physical activity interests or whatever similar. But ironically over the years, we have shared on how we are each voluntarily adjusting diet, activities to include some fitness...all kind of evolving organically without each of us involved in the personal change over a long period time. I think it's more about choosing friends who have self-respect which extends to their own awareness of their own health.
I told our cycling friends that they were being a good influence on us...
I really am having trouble to listening to my other friends complaining about being "fat." They think that they could "never do what I do" and they just don't want to work hard at exercising. It's too hard, according to them.
That's why I give a lot of credit to the one who just started cycling. She's keeping at it, even though she thinks it's "too hard" to try and get faster on the hills.
It's vague because it's a mainstream recap of a scientific study. Usually, when they say 30% lower risk of death, they mean a lower chance of dying prematurely. The mainstream media tends to simplify too much in my opinion. I would assume that the people who didn't do housework likely had a cleaning service and were less active. Naturally, if you have a house cleaner and you spend your free time riding or working out, the data wouldn't apply to you. The main point here is that being activity reduces your chance of dying prematurely from things such a heart disease, Type 2 diabetes, and even cancer.
If you want to see another presentation with very similar information in a more 'scientific' format, check out this link.
Why Fitness Matters
The http://fitnessrocks.org website itself is also very good and you can subscribe to the podcast to hear weekly reviews of scientific studies about longevity.
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Originally Posted by malkin
Considering that life expectancy at birth in the USA is 77.8 years, what constitutes a 30% lower risk of dying "prematurely" for people in their 80s?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelownagirl
I think this is pretty clearly one of those things where a marker is not a cause but an effect. People in their 70s and 80s who are still able to do their own housework are obviously healthier than those who can't.
I spent most of the months of July and August looking at mortality statistics and believe me, when you look at what treatments and tests "they" are using those statistics to support, let's just say it was an eye-opener. Morbidity statistics are much harder to come by, and there's a reason for that.
Sorry for the thread drift - it just illustrates why I don't put a lot of stock in this stuff, either the media version or most of the medical journal versions. Show me (1) a biochemical reason why the alleged "cause" is actually a cause, and (2) a real improvement in the quality of life of human subjects, then I'll give it some credence.
Again, because we can't see the actual study, we can't really speculate but... I'm thinking that the study was probably not so much about what the 70-80 years old were currently able to do, but rather a comment on how much they'd done over a period time, such as their adult lives. I agree with you that 80 year olds who can do their own housework are healthier than those who can't and you definitely cannot prove a causal relationship in any way. However, if we could see the whole study, we might find out that in general, people who had been doing their own housework over their adult lives (ie an example of being physically active), were healthier than people who can been sitting on their butts all their adult lives and therefor lived longer and/or had fewer chronic diseases caused by a sedentary lifestyle.
Take a look at the links I posted. The data there is much clearer and gives more reasons for an actual causal relationship between living a healthy lifestyle through diet, exercise, and maintaining a healthy weight and not dying prematurely from heart disease, type 2 diabetes, or cancer. I find it very clear and compelling and even if it's not completely correct, I'm not going to use it as an excuse to sit on the couch all day and eat crap.
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Originally Posted by OakLeaf
I LOVE cheeseburgers.....I just don't eat them more than once a month. That may cost me a few microseconds off my life, but it's worth it.
I was just watching the slideshow again (the one I posted) and wanted to point out that the World Health Organization estimates that 80% of coronary heart disease, 80-90% of type 2 diabetes, and 35% of cancer could be prevented if people followed a healthy lifestyle (don't smoke, maintain a healthy weight, exercise 30 minutes a day, and eat a healthy diet - more veg/fruit, less meat etc). These three chronic diseases have been shown to be the top three causes of premature death in Americans, as well as putting a tremendous strain on the health care system.
Well, I think that our medical providers have become so used to people who are in the 80% category that when they actually have to deal with someone who is fit, like my husband, they don't know what to do. Sorry for the thread drift, but it seems pertinent to our situation right now.
He has a terrible family history on both sides. Heart disease and strokes galore. He started exercising and eating better at age 42 or 43. Almost five years ago (he's 52 now) he started getting the classic jaw and neck pain when we were running. Tests showed nothing, but he did have high cholesterol and BP. He started on meds, got those down promptly. The next year, the pain returned when cycling. It got worse and worse, but still the stress test showed nothing. After we insisted, he had an angiogram, and of course, there were 2 80% blockages, so they put stents in.
All was fine until a year later, again when riding, he had pain. We went to the ER, and they sent him for another angiogram. Nothing had changed and they couldn't figure out why he was having the pain. Now, all of a sudden, after 3 years, he is having it again, but only when his HR is above 140, and at the beginning of rides. Guess what? The cardiologist says, "So, just don't ride that hard." They just don't get it.
Because he is so fit, it's easy for him to keep his HR low. If he keeps it low for awhile, then he can let it get up with no pain.
I insisted he get a second opinion at Brigham and Women's. We are going there in 2 weeks, with the hope that there might be a cardiologist that has actually met a fit person.
Haha Robyn that made me laugh because it harkens back to why I changed the ringtones on my phone.
Not once but twice in two weeks when I was dealing with that stuff this summer, the phone rang while I was running and it was a doctor's office. Just what I was running to escape - but I was answering my phone in case it was an emergency. Both my father and father-in-law are in very poor health (well actually my father-in-law is in very GOOD health for his age, he's just 92), and especially with my father-in-law, my husband would definitely just leave town without me if he couldn't reach me.
So anyway... I answered the phone, I explained to the doctor's scheduler why I was breathing so heavily, and she said...
"MAYBE YOU SHOULD SIT DOWN."
Bwa-ha-ha...... or something :rolleyes: Nothing like a doctor's office telling you NOT to exercise - when the condition they're calling you about can ONLY be benefited by exercise...
Anyway I'll send good thoughts that everything turns out OK for your husband.
Exactly! We have another friend who has the same cardiologist here in Concord. He is at least 50 pounds overweight and last year had a 90% blockage in the main artery leading to the heart (sorry, i have forgotten my anatomy). The doc just keeps telling him to "lose 50 pounds," with no suggestions for how he should do it. Now, I do give the doc credit for really keeping up with the trends in medications, changing things up, and getting my husband's cholesterol ridiculously low. But, like you said, he is telling my husband not to do what they are trying to get most Americans to do. He has softened the message a bit, though.
And it took several calls to the Brigham to find a cardiologist with experience with endurance athletes.
I have a grandmother who takes handfuls of pills every morning (Literally) and being rather young (24), it used to be all about excess weight when i was younger, but these days, when I feel my heart pounding during exercise, I'm just thankful its working right.
I guess we all have different reasons for exercising, but I think keeping ourselves healthy is important. My dad got hypertension when he was in his late 20s. I have an obese 16 yr old brother, and I feel despair everytime i look at him...
At the end of the day, its doesn't matter what people around you say or do, we need to do it ourselves. If only to keep our lives meaningful. Nothing meaningful in staying alive on handfuls of pills. Life is boring if all you can do is potter around and watch TV.
oh and I think i need to quit my diet coke habit.
Oakleaf, an update, even though this is off topic a bit. My husband went for a 64 slice CT scan at Mass General; again nothing had really changed. The cardiologist here in Concord said there was a slight narrowing of one artery, but it is the same thing that has shown up every year since he had the stents put in. So, after some pushing, Steve said, well, what can I do? They decided to put him on Indur, a long acting nitro drug. Since the angina is stable and Steve knows exactly when it will occur and he can make it go away, the doctor felt this was the best solution. This way, he can take it slightly later in the morning, if it is a day he is riding to work and back home, since it lasts for 12 hours.
The doctor at Brigham and Woman's was very good. I didn't go with him for the appointment, but Steve felt satisfied that he was talked to like an intelligent adult who is not going to stop exercising! This guy said, sure you could go in for another angio, but there is a risk to that. He felt that since all of his other numbers (cholesterol, bp) are excellent the Indur was a good choice. Steve is taking the absolute lowest dose and he shouldn't get any of the problems people get when it stops working after a while because your body builds up tolerance to the drug. This doctor also said that the angina is a separate issue from the past blockages and plenty of people have angina who do not have other heart issues. So, in the end, he told Steve if he keeps up the active life style, most likely he will die of something else, as long as he keeps being active and stays on top of any changes in his symptoms. And, he explained the reason why the pain goes away after riding for awhile; apparently the body produces natural nitro.
So far, the drug seems to be working, but he still is warming up much longer and not riding so hard for every ride.
That sounds like good news - thanks for the update. I'm glad he has the OK to continue to be active - and hoping that he'll get back to being able to push as hard as he wants.
I actually LIKE cleaning my little house. I do a thorough cleaning every couple of weeks, and it takes me about an hour. I have 11 windows and I clean them in the fall and in the spring. If that'll extend my life a little, great.